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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dr Laura Favaro is taking City University to an employment tribunal

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/04/2023 19:16

Relevant thread from last year: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4634273-times-article-on-academia

This is what she says on a well-known gardening site (can't link here, but should be easily found via search engine). Sounds like a very important case. She has an excellent legal team lined up but this will be expensive.

Summary
I'm an academic who has been researching the silencing, discrimination and harassment of female academics who raise questions about gender identity theory, including those that are ‘gender critical’ such as myself. As a consequence, I have been ostracised, subjected to false complaints, had my research stopped, my research data taken away, and I have lost my job. I’m raising funds because I am having to take the case to an Employment Tribunal.

Who am I?
My name is Laura Favaro. I am a Spanish sociologist, schoolteacher, and mum of two little boys. In 2020 we moved to the UK so that I could join City, University of London as Postdoctoral Research Fellow to investigate the disputes around sex and gender that have escalated dramatically since the 2010s.
I have collected large amounts of data on the ‘gender wars’ in academia. You can read about some of the findings in my Times Higher Education article called Researchers are wounded in academia's gender wars. You can also watch a talk , and another one .

There you will find harrowing testimonies by female academics across disciplines and careers stages: too afraid to voice their views, even to work in gender studies altogether; citing not just concerns about their jobs but fears over violence, putting their children at risk, and more. Some of them hold gender-critical views, others simply want to ask questions about aspects of the theory and movement of gender identity or transgender. You will also find the admissions of those who actively support the censoring, bullying and persecution of gender-critical academics in British universities and beyond.

One result of my Times Higher Education piece was that my university, City, received complaints alleging that I had somehow been unethical during my research. These complaints were baseless: City investigated and could find no ethical wrongdoing on my part. But despite this, I have been frozen out, and further such baseless accusations have been taken at face value, leading to the suspension of my research, and the withdrawal of access to my data.

I have been told at City that the university considers my research data to be dangerous, that it is frightened of having the findings made public, that it does not want to become involved in the sex and gender debate – and that things would have been different if I believed that ‘trans women are women’. Indeed, colleagues have described my Times Higher Education article publicly as an ‘attack piece on trans people’, and claimed that my research ‘clearly intended to cause harm’; while internally I have been described as an institutional risk, and even a risk to research participants, with calls to restrict my use of my research data to ensure it is ‘acceptable’.

It is difficult to overemphasize the toll this can take personally and professionally – not least for a more junior and precarious academic.

Please help me fight for academic freedom. Please help me push back against the persecution of academics with feminist or gender critical views. Enough is enough!

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popebishop · 03/10/2023 09:28

There was an update on the CJ page - excerpt

Case management Preliminary Hearing
My case management Preliminary Hearing took place on Friday 8 September. I was in attendance but represented by my barrister Chris Milsom, and further supported by Olivia Geary, Solicitor at Doyle Clayton, who took notes. It was a private hearing to establish the calendar of required actions by both parties in preparation for the main hearing, such as documents and witness statement exchange.
Fortunately, we can proceed straight to the Final Hearing, without the need for an Open Preliminary Hearing. I had not wanted or expected that such preliminary hearing would be required, but it was still a relief to have that confirmed.
The Hearing has been listed for 12 days, starting 16 September 2024.* *It will take place at the London Central Employment Tribunal. City will call up to 10 witnesses - I will call 3 (including me).
Confirmation of the length of the hearing and the extent of City’s witness list means that we now know that the hearing will be very substantial indeed. As a consequence of this knowledge, I have had to revise my target upwards by £30,000.
Access to the data
It will be coming up to a year of discussions with City to transfer its controllership of the interview data to Bournemouth University, and of attempts to deposit the anonymised survey with the UK Data Archive (as per my commitment with the participants and the British Academy for a grant where I was Principal Investigator). I am awaiting City’s response to my last letters, which I am hoping will move matters forward significantly. Wish me luck!
New article
If you’d like to know more about my research and experiences, here is a recently published conversation with Umut Özkırımlı, author of the book Cancelled: The Left Way Back From Woke.

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 09:38

I am really sick of organisations trying to price women out of justice by having a silly number of witnesses. There should be some way to account for this or at the very least a penalty if, when the case comes to court, it transpires that so many witnesses really weren't required. It seems to be a bullying tactic from organisations whose resources are essentially unlimited compared to the single employees they are fighting against.

paperflowers55 · 03/10/2023 13:34

Replace her with a man and watch no one dare come near him ...
Real life scenario : JK Rowling (ok she is not generally a nice person but she never incited hate towards the minority of LGBTQ, it's all about what people interpreted)
Matt Walsh came out with an actual documentary that criticizes a lot of the gender movement and yet, where are his death threats and harassment ? he made some noise sure, but nothing on the level of JKR.

I am not ok with general discrimination against anyone, and even if someone is wrong, you engage in debate, not online "White Bear" campaigns (refer to Black Mirror for that)

HellonHeels · 03/10/2023 13:39

paperflowers55 · 03/10/2023 13:34

Replace her with a man and watch no one dare come near him ...
Real life scenario : JK Rowling (ok she is not generally a nice person but she never incited hate towards the minority of LGBTQ, it's all about what people interpreted)
Matt Walsh came out with an actual documentary that criticizes a lot of the gender movement and yet, where are his death threats and harassment ? he made some noise sure, but nothing on the level of JKR.

I am not ok with general discrimination against anyone, and even if someone is wrong, you engage in debate, not online "White Bear" campaigns (refer to Black Mirror for that)

What do you mean by JKR is "not generally a nice person"?

Sunnava · 03/10/2023 13:42

JKR is actually famously a very nice person!

NutellaEllaElla · 03/10/2023 13:43

JKR is a lovely legend thankyouplease

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 13:44

JKR is lovely and I'm sure would agree it's terrible the way Dr Favaro is being bullied by City University.

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 13:50

From the conversation linked to`above:

"Laura was a bit apprehensive when I first spoke to her — who could blame her? — but confident in her research. Even a cursory glance at the methodology section, which she kindly agreed to share with me, showed that her confidence wasn’t misplaced. I tried to assuage her concerns, telling her that the university would stick by a project it itself had funded and, more importantly, granted ethics approval. I was wrong. “A lot is going on,” she wrote when I tried to contact her again a few weeks later, “and I don’t feel like talking about it right now.” I was worried, of course, but I didn’t insist.
Genderism expects full submission even from those external to its doctrine. Laura vanished into thin air — just like that. Her Twitter account was deactivated; emails started to bounce back; text messages remained unanswered. I was happy when she resurfaced several months later, only to find out that she had lost her job, her data, her friends and her mental health in the interim. "

So the University funded and granted ethics approval for Laura's work and it was only when there was a negative twitter reaction to her results being published in an article that they fired her.

It's funny how they're stealing and hiding her data. You'd think if it was as hateful as they claim, they'd let it see the full light of day and let everyone decide.

OvaHere · 03/10/2023 13:56

Thanks for highlighting this. Definitely one to support.

HandShoe · 03/10/2023 14:00

Thanks for the update about the case - I've done some additional gardening 🌻

AutumnCrow · 03/10/2023 14:01

ExUCU · 04/04/2023 20:28

Yes, it is fascinating research. I remember when Laura published her THE piece and the ensuing brouhaha. If I recall correctly, Alison Phipps said on Twitter that she ‘had been had‘, acknowledging that she had been one of the interviewees. I wonder if she was one of those who let her their guard down. She overreacted in an astonishing way, publicly plotting with other transfeminists to damage Laura’s academic reputation. I still can’t quite believe this has actually happened. Why does Phipps still have a job but Laura doesn’t? Academic spats occur all the time but normally not like this.

I've often wondered why Phipps would 'de-anonymise' herself like this.

Is the result that certain parties can argue that the whole of the survey data is no longer anonymised? It is all so bloody unprofessional, playing out on Twitter ffs.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 03/10/2023 14:51

The date of the hearing threw me as I didn’t notice the year - I was wandering why the hearing hadn’t been reported on already if it was in September!

Happy to do some gardening. I wonder how much of an impact Prof Phoenix’s case will have on this and other academic cases.

I’m a scientist in industry rather than academia, but the concept of silencing research endorsed by an Ethics Committee because you don’t want the topic discussed let alone risk the outcome being not what you want - well that goes against my entire education and professional standards. It’s a depressing day for me because I also happened to look at a colleague’s social media today and I noticed the banner at the top of their profile is the full Stonewall Pride flag. They’re male and straight, and an excellent scientist so I’ve no idea what’s going on there, as his kids aren’t teenagers yet.

Treaclewell · 03/10/2023 15:05

I'm going gardening later. I was going to suggest, as a previous poster did, that future researchers keep their data off site, SD card in the coffee jar etc. but that's no good. The police, and you have to assume they will be on this, will find it. Your encrypted HDD will have to be somewhere else, and not a friend's house.
My friend has been citing Galileo, and I, William of Ockham, who had to escape the Pope secretly from Avignon. It is absurd that in 2023 we have to think like medieval philosophers, but we do.
I propose, but cannot fund, Hypatia's Hideaway, a number of online sites - but who can ensure that hosting bodies will not renege under pressure? But the data must be stored in physical form once delivered to those sites. And the collectors of the data must be prepared to be illegal if the universities are prepared to be immoral.
Who is the Cyril of Alexandria whipping up the crowds with hypothetical seashells to set abouit these women? (I don't use saint in his title. He was a murderer.)

Rudderneck · 03/10/2023 17:16

Backstreets · 04/04/2023 09:45

Unis have obviously been very lefty for a good few decades but bloody hell, they were still about the exchange of ideas, truth seeking and debate. If they’d rather peddle religious doctrine, silencing of wrongthink and false emotive narratives, what use are they??

This kind of experience in universities is pretty new for a lot of people who have considered themselves to be on the left.

It's a lot less so for people who think of themselves as conservatives. I know lots of people in the US in the home education community who have had qualms for years about sending their kids to university, and it's considered pretty standard that those kids just need to keep their mouths shut and check the boxes to get the degree.

This kind of complaint has largely been dismissed as the product of their imagination, but I'm not so sure that's true.

FarEast · 04/10/2023 08:27

JK Rowling (ok she is not generally a nice person

@paperflowers55 do you not know that Ms Rowling took herself off the UK super-rich list because of the amount of her money she's given away to charities? Often anonymously.

If that's "not nice" I don't know how you'd regard most people in this world ...

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/10/2023 08:49

I too had been confused by the dates and this had passed me by

pleased to realise that I have plenty of time for gardening for this one

RethinkingLife · 04/10/2023 09:43

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 09:38

I am really sick of organisations trying to price women out of justice by having a silly number of witnesses. There should be some way to account for this or at the very least a penalty if, when the case comes to court, it transpires that so many witnesses really weren't required. It seems to be a bullying tactic from organisations whose resources are essentially unlimited compared to the single employees they are fighting against.

I find it intriguing how easy it is to find witnesses to speak out at tribunals that have women at their heart. And just how many of those witnesses are women. Audre Lorde, Mary Daly and so many others might have an opinion on the motivations for that.

The persecution of GC women academics has become normalised.

FarEast · 04/10/2023 18:45

I keep on thinking what we could have done with the money we've all put into various cases & appeals. Imagine how we could have funded rape crisis centres and shelters for women fleeing domestic violence instead!

RethinkingLife · 04/10/2023 19:03

FarEast · 04/10/2023 18:45

I keep on thinking what we could have done with the money we've all put into various cases & appeals. Imagine how we could have funded rape crisis centres and shelters for women fleeing domestic violence instead!

Imagine how we wouldn't have had to do this if women's rights and sex-based rights weren't being dismantled in plain sight.

FarEast · 04/10/2023 19:49

Indeed!

Slothtoes · 04/10/2023 20:28

Holy fuck this is an appalling story. I managed to miss this previously. Full support to Dr Favaro and I am appalled to read how she’s been treated.

CliantheLang · 04/10/2023 21:57

I was going to suggest, as a previous poster did, that future researchers keep their data off site...

As per JKR'S latest novel, how 'bout a fake rock hidden in the woods?

8 Genius Ways to Hide Your Spare Key So No One Will Find It

#3 is just genius!

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/organizing/g4754/how-to-hide-your-spare-key/

MrsDoylesCake · 06/10/2023 19:32

Anonymised Iron Mountain account?

*Other data storage companies exist.

Treaclewell · 07/10/2023 09:39

I think the bought solutions are no use because burglars, the police, MI5 etc get the catalogues too. I'm thinking of the sorts of places used by spies in Smiley's gang, crevices in walls, and so on.
The trouble with commercial data storage is that legal arm twisting becomes possible.
That we are thinking, in the 21st century like this is appalling. Even as a joke.

Slothtoes · 07/10/2023 09:41

There will be stipulations in the research approvals about how data is treated and safe guarded which will also form part of the consent process for interview subjects.
so researchers couldn’t just take it home and would be in massive trouble if they tried to.
The solution to this has to be the institution behaving properly and not banning researchers from using their own research data.
Research consented to that isn’t then carried out but data retained is also a data protection problem, so maybe the ICO can help advise here.

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