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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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WeeBitOfWoo · 30/03/2023 10:12

Talking about the Cass review!

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bellinisurge · 30/03/2023 10:25

This morning is pretty horrendous on this topic. What did they say?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 10:26

Holy moly!

Which presenters are on? This Morning has been dominated by Susie Green, India Willoughby and the BeeeeeeKiiiinnnnd brigade - this feels significant!

ReunitedThorns · 30/03/2023 10:31

Well Phil can't be on there this week due to his brother.

WeeBitOfWoo · 30/03/2023 10:39

It was really good. I missed who the two talking heads were that were discussing it with Holly & the Phil stand-in (no idea who he is).

They were talking about the Policy exchange report. Then the Cass review.

The woman (is she a TV doctor?) was concerned about social transitioning and advocating a ‘wait and see’ approach for children with ‘gender distress’. Sue talked about gay adults often saying they’d had gender dysphoria before growing out of it and realising they were gay.

Everyonr agreed. Holly nodding and looking ‘concerned’ Grin.

Everyone really shocked and worried that 28% of schools don’t have single sex toilets.

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 10:55

Fucking hell. Holly has been championing these policies for years via unquestioning support for Mermaids and is now surprised that they’ve taken hold? 🤦‍♀️

(Golden Bridge, Cholet, Golden Bridge!)

Bet Willoughby’s blood pressure is sky high This Morning (pun intended).

BigFrau · 30/03/2023 10:57

bellinisurge · 30/03/2023 10:25

This morning is pretty horrendous on this topic. What did they say?

It was really honest and truthful. I couldn't believe it!

I don't know who the two guests were, but I'm also guessing doctors.

The discussion was as @WeeBitOfWoo has outlined it: policy exchange report, the Cass review, social transitioning, advocating a "wait and see" approach.

Holly asked for clarification of "gender distress".

The male guest even mentioned the issue of males in female sport!

It was quite a short segment (part of the newspaper review) but touched on a fair few issues in a limited time.

It's great that these issues are getting airtime on mainstream TV and being mentioned more often in places like AIBU, for example, to reach a wider audience.

WeeBitOfWoo · 30/03/2023 11:00

@BigFrau I was also in shock!

I turned the volume up on the tv when I saw the strap line was about gender, fully expecting to hear some #bekind nonsense. But it was sensible and covered a lot of ground in a few minutes.

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Beowulfa · 30/03/2023 11:01

Do students still watch This Morning (just known as Richard & Judy in my day)? Might have been a bit triggering for the blue-haired ones?

HermioneWeasley · 30/03/2023 11:03

Bloody hell, that’s a change of tune.

BigFrau · 30/03/2023 11:09

Beowulfa · 30/03/2023 11:01

Do students still watch This Morning (just known as Richard & Judy in my day)? Might have been a bit triggering for the blue-haired ones?

I dunno if it's still a thing. I reckon the last time I watched this programme was in about 1992 when it was Richard & Judy 😂

I only tuned in this morning because there's a thread about it in AIBU and I thought I'll have a look and see how bad it is these days!
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nd was immediately confronted with a segment about gender!

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 11:11

I suppose a bit of strategic reverse ferreting on anything that looks anything at all like child abuse or safeguarding failures is probably pretty high on the programme producer’s agenda this week.

Whatever made this happen, I’m glad it happened.

WinterTrees · 30/03/2023 11:19

I want to watch because I'm really interested in tracking how those at the vanguard of BeKind - who were desperate to jump on the bandwagon when they thought it was headed straight to the right side of history and shamed women without hesitation - how they now adjust their position.

With This Morning it's particularly interesting because women with young children must make up by far the largest segment of their audience. When they chose to take the stand they did (which is nicely encapsulated in the Posie vs Willoughby segment) they were sending out an unequivocal message to those women that questioning men in women's spaces, or the boy who wants to change for PE with their young daughters, is BIGOTRY. There was no nuance, no acknowledgement of a range of needs to be accommodated or difficult issues to resolve, it was the modern equivalent of the stocks or the ducking stool.

But here we are a few years on, and the landscape has changed. The Cass report. Isla Bryson. Detransitioners. Sport in the headlines. And Philip Schofield has lost his golden boy shine thanks to awkward associations with sex offences/offenders. Maybe they've realised that the fingers-in-ears, 'look at the lovely rainbows and glitter!' approach isn't such a good look anymore.

So yes, I'd like to watch but it seems you can't fast forward through to the segment, and the stream keeps freezing! I've decided I don't want to watch enough to sit through the first five minutes for the third time (but thanks for the heads up OP, and hopefully it'll appear on twitter before too long, probably posted by a certain former guest in welter of wounded outrage...)

Steradent · 30/03/2023 11:22

Beowulfa · 30/03/2023 11:01

Do students still watch This Morning (just known as Richard & Judy in my day)? Might have been a bit triggering for the blue-haired ones?

No, I don't know anyone other than the retired who do.

Richard and Judy was for all, Phillip is for the huns who also like Stacey Solomon.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/03/2023 11:23

Well this is indeed progress from a programme (along with Lorraine) that has relentlessly pushed gender woowoo at their audience and ignored all the related abuse.

Steradent · 30/03/2023 11:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/03/2023 11:23

Well this is indeed progress from a programme (along with Lorraine) that has relentlessly pushed gender woowoo at their audience and ignored all the related abuse.

Stacey Solomon on Loose women was all for it, we shouldn't let these people off the hook. Stacey has a huge following on Instagram she will have caused a huge amount of harm along with scamming the huns out of money too.

BigFrau · 30/03/2023 11:25

No, I don't know anyone other than the retired who do.

And those who are skiving when WFH...

WeeBitOfWoo · 30/03/2023 11:29

In my defence, I finished my job last week and don’t start my new role until after Easter. I’m not an habitual TM viewer 😆

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WeeBitOfWoo · 30/03/2023 11:30

(They’ve got a psychic on now, giving messages from beyond the grave from a woman’s dad to her dog Hmm)

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BigFrau · 30/03/2023 11:32

Yeah, that's more the kind of thing I remember!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 11:39

This Morning usually make small clips for YouTube. Hopefully we’ll find it there later (unless they are cowards).

Guarantee the comments will be off.

TidyDancer · 30/03/2023 11:50

Yeah I saw this, on balance I think it was handled well and definitely more on the reality side of things rather than the usual woo beliefs. It felt like they were all genuinely concerned rather than just presenting coverage which was a departure from the norm.

bellinisurge · 30/03/2023 11:53

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet - I think you are right. The reverse ferret-ing we are going to see in the coming months is going to be interesting. Himdia was complaining about being dropped from TV. Maybe editorial teams are realising that someone who larps as a middle aged woman isn't actually reflecting what women (their main audience and their advertisers' target market) are thinking on this issue .

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 12:00

They’ve covered the topic loads, but IIRC even Sue Evans (former Tavi employer, tried sound the alarm for over ten years, key figure in getting the Keira Bell case to the courts) was treated pretty poorly by the hosts?

Gonna rewatch some of these now.

This might be the first This Morning segment that specifically featured kids, it’s from 2015 so right around the time of the spike in referrals to GIDS , when the majority of referrals changed from primary aged boys to teenage girls towards the end of puberty (15/16).

In Sweden (? need to double check in but dare not in case the page reloads and I lose my draft!) they noticed that referrals to their paediatric gender service had a mini spike whenever a pro trans segment such as this aired on their mainstream media channels.

Referrals dipped after more critical stories began to appear.

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 12:08

The spin on this conclusion made my jaw drop - yes, the rates of referrals did go down after stories about negative aspects of gender transition were aired.

The study author characterises this as (paraphrasing, real quote in screenshot) ‘Mean news stories prevent poor vulnerable trans kids from starting on a pathway that ends with genital amputation’

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35107572/

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 30/03/2023 12:14

Similar study on UK and Aus observes a spikes in referrals within 1 week of a pro trans story than dissipates by week 3.

Holly, you have contributed to the social contagion that has harmed thousands of kids and torn apart thousands of families, so damn right you need to get your concerned face out for the TV viewing audience now.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32721030/

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