Transactivism is sexist and delusional

[CampervanKween]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/27/trans-activism-sexist-delusional/?t=qB8GMvp3NoeiHkfvRKfg9Q&s=09

Very good comprehensive article in the Telegraph today. To read it click on the link then go into airplane mode on your phones.

Your friends all want male rapists in women's prisons, as do their celebrity politicians. That's their "pro trans shit."

Most of my friends are left-wing and would immediately respond to the idea of reading a JP piece with a loud guffaw.

this is interesting

I’d struggle to have a serious conversation with someone who would refuse to read an article by a person they disagreed with on some issues

Agree @TommyNever that the fetishist are real parasites. However, I do think JP was right to keep the article tight around the fact that none of this intellectually hangs together, even without considering malicious predators. OtherwIse, the general public might get lost in the arguments.

It was a brilliant article. And I am glad to see it printed in a mainstream newspaper.

Have you considered changing friendship groups? They don't really sound like critical thinkers.

I am a leftist, started my local extinction rebellion group (years ago). Have been on countless protests over fellings of trees, have been living in an eco-village, and am a feminist....

And I fucking love Jordan Peterson. I think he is incredibly intelligent, has reems of knowledge and crucially, has the ability articulate his knowlege in a brilliant manner. The combination of those two is rare. Watch his lectures on maps of meaning... he paints pictures with his words and gestures.

I think he is an incredible thinker, with very interesting ideas. I have listened to hours of his lectures, hours of his podcasts and read his books, and I still think he is brilliant.

Most people that don't like his have not and will not even listen to any of his stuff!

I like also that he doesn't mince his words. He says what he thinks regardless of whether it is PC. These days that is so fucking refreshing.

There has been a HUGE (fairly successful) campaign to smear him. They take clips and soundbytes of him and make him out to be rascist or misogynistic, but listened in context it has different meaning.

Why have they smeared him? Becusse he is so vocal about 'trans' healthcare. He calls then butchers, he calls it willful malpractice, he suggests jail sentences for the perpetrators. Of course he has been undermined.

As has JK, as has Posie, as has Blanchard, as had any prominent figure who speaks the truth about this cult.

This is another brilliant article by him.

For anyone interested he did a fantastic podcast with chloe cole the detranitioner where he looked at her transition/detransition through the lens of a clinical psychologist. Its very in depth.

Though I guess it is the case for many of us (in general).

It took me years to not just accept left-wing info, even if I did read widely.
Because in my head left-wing=social demokrat just a bit more social= good to everyone=«right side of History».

I was stumped when the mis-information regarding JKR was raging, because I read her words and they were absolutely fine.

Jordan Peterson has been derided as a right wing loony, and though I haven’t read or seen everything, when I did decide I had to see/hear it from the horses mouth I found most of what he said completely fine.

I am a JP convert in actual fact

for many years i would make sure I read any major news items from both the guardian and the mail. And be amazed at how warped the Mail version would seem sometimes.

It was strange watching it over the years go from the Guardian being the source that I trusted most to be telling the more correct version of the truth, to the point where now I can't trust anything in the Guardian, I have to check the information elsewhere.

It's sad.

But if i hadn't been reading the mail I'd have missed what was happening with the guardian's views

Very wise @Boiledbeetle . I agree that reading widely is crucial.

“As the list of big-name trans-critical right-wingers grows, it gives the Left more damning names to throw at lefties who are brave enough to raise objections to the TRA movement.”

I’m not sure it matters, because the moment you become openly trans-critical, you become an official ‘right-winger’. You can be just filming how the police handle a protest (like the Laughing Auditor guy) and the second you start publicly objecting to the way the TRAs treated you - welcome to the dark side/right-wing/Tory camp. Heck, you can be doing nothing more controversial than objecting to the extension of a low emissions zone.

Welcome to the purity spiral.

I have my moments!😁

for many years i would make sure I read any major news items from both the guardian and the mail. And be amazed at how warped the Mail version would seem sometimes.

This is exactly how I found out the Guardian wasn't the reliable news source I thought it was. When I found a discrepancy between the Guardian and DM reporting I would look at other sources. I found it was nearly always the G leaving out crucial bits of information to spin a narrative.

Yeah. This is why I refuse to get into line and be a good little girl and just read the correct material. Think the correct way. Say the correct things.

NO FUCK OFF!

(Not you obviously!)

Y@Boiledbeetle + this.

You do feel a bit unhinged when it starts to unravel though.
I now understand why Qanon got such a hold in the USA where unbiased news/slightly less biased than completely bought and sold news seem almost impossible to come by.

The poor video guy. He is the very opposite of a fascist (who depend on a heavily funded state police, like the nazis also did) and it took him by surprise completely.
He was still caught up in his own mission, and rightly so, when the penny dropped at the end.

Is there any reason to mention issues of addiction, except to link that with the word “degenerate” and the implication that people who have or have had addiction issues are bad people?

Whatever anyone thinks of JP there’s no humanity in viewing drug addiction in that way.

I suspect dehumanisation was exactly the poster’s intent.

I ignore landOfConfusion's posts as they are idiocy.

Will read later

The more this comes out the better

Not getting at you, but when left wing commentators publish these kinds of articles in left wing publications, we'll share those, too.

I enjoy reading JP's writing. Sometimes I agree with him. Sometimes I think he's completely wrong. Sometimes what he's written challenges me to clarify my own thoughts on an issue, or consider angles I hadn't seen before.

I really value that. It's why I'll never reject reading something simply because of who it's written by or where it's published. I've read articles by TRAs. Sometimes I even agree with them on other political issues.

The notion that if someone has even one opinion you disagree with, they are a Bad Person and everything else they say and do is tainted? It's utter nonsense. So is the idea that if you support political party A you must agree with a certain set of beliefs, some of which are totally unconnected to one another, but if you support party B you must have the exact opposite set. That's not politics, it's childish team-picking.

Well put. The one point I disagree with is "child team-picking". Rather, it's tribalism and inability to think critically.

I agree @BlessedKali

I've listened to a lot of JP and I've never ever thought 'what a wanker, he's totally wrong there'. But when I speak to friends about him, it's as though we are speaking about two different people.

The common complaint is that he 'uses a lot of words to sound intelligent but actually isn't'.

I don't get that sense listening to him. I feel like he chooses his words extremely carefully (watch his interview with Cathy Newman for example). I don't see the blurriness in what he's saying, ever.

JP can be a twat in many ways, but my disdain for some of his views doesn't mean he should be written off.

I work in an NHS service in a role where I work with most services. Police, probation, prisons, youth offending, housing, child and young people's social services, adult social services, mental health services, drug services, non-stat services and on and on.

I accepted a long time ago that there was no place for being GC in these services and even though many of my colleagues didn't necessarily agree with the things we were asked to accept, we understood it could lead to us losing our jobs if we went against the grain. We were out of touch, TERFs etc.

Like it or not, JP is culturally significant and someone that will come up on YT shorts, TikToks etc and give an alternative view to younger people working on the front line of services who have been told completely nonsensical ideas about trans identity without really understanding what they're supporting.