Matt Walsh - clarifying the basics

[PlainSkyr]

Well said! 👏

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"I can't say what a woman is, because I don't feel like one."

Utterly illogical.

Indeed. I can happily say what a man is. I can also explain what a cat is. In fact there are many nouns for living beings that I can explain. I don't have to feel like them before I can explain them.

Sadly, this sound bite rhetoric has worked for so many years. If it only impacted the individual who wants to identify as a woman it's not even an issue. Identify away. But it's harming children, who are medicalising themselves to match their "identity" , being actively sponsored to do so by the kindness of parents and professionals... It's impacting women's spaces, women's sports and so on.

Thank goodness it's all finally being lit up and showcased.

The interviewer, as in many of these clips, is spot on, but I really wish they would give the gender identity-ists time to speak. I used to think that because I really really wanted to understand, now I just enjoy them demonstrating that they cannot explain any of it

That clip was years ago

Considering that women like Posie Parker are in the fray, getting mobbed and bullied in public spaces, I don't know why anyone would give a fig what an American anti-feminist says from the comfort of his studio (and I am an American btw). This is a feminist board for women and plenty of witty women have already explained gender ideology.

Do you really need headpats this badly?

Walsh also talks about how a 12 yr old rape victim should go through her pregnancy to the end. American women are fighting to cross borders to get abortions and we don't need UK women praising our enemies #nothankyou Show some solidarity ffs.

I've heard that Matt Walsh is controversial (and I definitely wouldn't agree with anyone stating that a 12 year old rape victim needs to see a pregnancy through to full term) but I'm going with the advice on previous threads.... Play the ball, not the player. I can't imagine I'll ever be in full agreement with any person on every single topic but on this specific issue, as captured in the clip, what he's saying makes a lot of sense to me.

I hadn't realised it was an old clip though, that's a shame. Thanks for the info on that @AlisonDonut

The full episode:

It's from about a year back I think.

Conservatives also have to deal with trans-activists when they do speaking events. I'm sure they get the threats of violence.

Republicans are making a difference in US politics on some of the issues like sports.

I'm pretty sure that KJK has praised Matt Walsh's work.

I would also point out that it's often the "enemy" like Fox News and Sky News Australia that is willing to give KJK a platform.

Here is another member of the Daily Wire being attacked in a similar way to KJK. Seems like they are "in the fray"...

I think it’s a mistake to be so black and white in thinking to discard people like Walsh because you don’t agree on other issues. I disagree with plenty of women on all manner of issues but if we agree on the trans issue then that’s great, we can work together on the trans issue.

A man who thinks a 12 year old rape victim doesn't deserve an abortion is pretty low. Why are you all handmaiding for him?

I think differences of opinion are healthy in a functioning society. I have sufficient critical thinking skills that I can address ideas on their own merit rather than being obsessed with making someone pass a purity test before blindly believing their opinions on all manner of things.

I don't agree with Walsh on abortion, but he is free to hold an opinion that comes from weighting facts in a different way I would.

Ideas should stand alone; criticise those, not the person speaking them.

He's free to hold his opinions. I'm free to criticize women on a feminist board for exalting him for saying nothing original nor what feminists haven't been saying forever.

Literal handclaps for a misogynist.

I am a critical thinker with my own views. I'm definitely not "handmaiding" anyone.

To pluck out some more examples..

I read recently that Blair White is a Trump fan. I personally find Trump's views on pretty much everything I have seen abhorrent. However, I appear to have very similar (I can't imagine completely the same) views on transgender concerns as Blair White, despite both of us approaching the topic from different viewpoints. That doesn't mean I support everything Blair White says, nor by extension that I support Trump. I should imagine I could have some interesting debates with Blair White, each of us learning some interesting things. Whether I could do that with Matt Walsh and Trump, I have no idea but I'd be prepared to give it a go. I'm an atheist and I oppose gun ownership - I'm quite vociferous in my views (I do listen and I respect how people feel strengthened and centred by their beliefs, particularly religious beliefs) so it'd be a lively debate I'm sure!

Given that I’ve noticed a tendency to take quotes out of context, I decided to look up what Matt Walsh said:

If a 12 year old is raped by her father and the father takes her to get an abortion, the evidence of the crime will be destroyed and he will go on molesting his victim for years. If however the child is born, his crime will be discovered and she will be rescued from the abuse.

That’s slightly more nuanced than ‘doesn’t deserve an abortion’. It’s advancing the argument that a pregnant twelve year old is very likely to be related to her abuser - so is a relatively easy access to abortion allowing the abuse to continue?

I appreciate that his views are at least consistent. He doesn't believe in abortion, period, and that is his right. He is allowed an opinion

It is worth examining that opinion too, beyond just instant dismissal. He believes that women should be supported in this circumstance, it is not just a case of discarding them to bring up a child on their own etc.

I happen not to agree with him when it comes to abortion rights for victims of rape, but we do need people to challenge our views on things, and hearing views like this make us truly question whether we have thought things through. I don't believe in late term abortions for example, but why not? If I believe in early term abortions, what is the difference? It is quite illogical in some ways, although I can now happily justify my beliefs.

It’s equally possible to run DNA tests on a foetus (we have in vivo trisomy and genetic testing after all).

Of course. But do we automatically run DNA tests on aborted foetuses? Do we automatically treat a twelve year old turning up for an abortion as a massive red flag for CSA?

One of the points being made here (in subtext) is … who has the biggest motive to want a raped twelve year old to have an abortion?

Her rapist. Because even if it takes the twelve year old year old years to accuse a parent/guardian, her living child will always be the living evidence that she’s telling the truth.

I love Matt Walsh. I think he's funny.

I don't agree with him on abortion. But he's great on all the gender ideology and makes it really clear.

I don't consider him an enemy or an ally. Just a minor celebrity who's entertaining on this topic. I don't think that makes me a handmaiden! (I rarely use that term as I find it misogynistic.)

I'm not sure the different sides even need to "work together", but maybe GC feminists should be grateful that conservatives are in the fight, and conservatives should be grateful that GC feminists are in the fight, because the progressives have an unreal level of power for some reason.

@beastlyslumber

You are right, he is very funny

(Good) Comedians will say anything without caring about the pushback, he is very similar to that. I admire anyone who truly says what they think. It's a rare quality in today's micromanaged world

It's slightly funny that he accidently became a best selling LGBT author on Amazon.

If you're living privileged in Europe or the UK you can just ignore all the other things Walsh has said that push people to deny even more abortion rights in the US because you still l have these rights. You don't need to fear a septic pregnancy because the lawyers at your hospital are fearful of getting sued so they send you home until there's no heartbeat in your pregnancy gone wrong.

If a 12 year old gets an abortion CSS will take the fetus's DNA and run an investigation so Walsh is talking out of his ass on that one.

Do any of you care or know how bad it is for women and girls who are pregnant right now?

It's not that people don't care about girls in that situation. It's that MW is entitled to his opinion about it and it doesn't make him an enemy. In the same way that his opinions on gender ideology don't make him an ally.

I appreciate that it might feel different to you in the US.