Real Feminist?

[SmartHome]

Can someone please summarise the whole Real Feminist, KJK not considering herself a feminist, socfem vs radfem thing please? Which feminists on twitter are opposing her and why? I seem to have missed it all. Seems like we should all be doing the same thing - standing up to the MRAs, protecting female single sex spaces and protecting vulnerable children, so I'm unclear where the break is? And why.

Exactly, why will no-one see this - once you position yourself against male violence and male supremacy all men will turn against you - even the 'nice' left wing ones.

Feminists who fight against porn and prostitution are anti-sex conservatives and prudes. Feminists who fight against the surrogacy trade or gender ideology are homophobic extremists. Feminists who organise on sex-based issues are divisive, anti-collaborative splitters so probably fascists.

You can polish your socialist credentials and union badge all you want but once you suggest women's rights are a priority you're not allowed in LEFT WING CLUB to make the tea and deliver the leaflets. The left wing men said so.

Hmm, but does that explain the RLWF types, who may well oppose surrogacy, say, but still want to stick KJK in the Trump-box?

Sure, some others might consider Julie Bindle to be in there as well. But the RLWFs are making quite a different division, and their constant tarnishing anyone who disagrees as "far right" is having consequences.

I don’t go in a box with a male name on it!

For now I will go in the KJK and JKR box, hoping they currently sit in the same box, or at least are box-adjacent

Do it to Julia.

I'm not right wing. Her over there. She's right wing.

I’m a dyed in the wool conservative and a TERF.

It’s not political to me.

This.
I’m of no fixed political affinity and I’m a TERF.

I used to hold an elected officer position in my local Momentum group and was one of the founder signatories for the Labour Womens Declaration but ‘The Left’ left me.

Now I’m a crypto fascist, apparently.

(cartoon by Colin Wright: https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/my-political-journey )

Was it not Sarah Ditum who called KJK a "Pound-shop Marine le Pen"?
And Radical Notion that produced and circulated a document denouncing KJK as a shameless grifter, funded by the American Far Right, who encourages neo-nazis and far-right extremists to attend her events?

There are posters who turn up on any thread about KJK to promulgate these views. They were even doing so while the livestream from NZ was showing us the terrifying scenes of a rabid mob attacking her.

From the far outside looking in, I see a couple of things that underlie it in addition to those previously mentioned here.
Some I may have misunderstood or confused with someone else, so feel free to contradict.

KJK is not an academic feminist. She hasn't studied feminism and doesn't use feminist terms, academic language, talk about waves or similar. It's not an academic discussion for her, but a real scrap for survival.

She is Christian, and somewhat pro life which means she doesn't wholeheartedly support abortion 'as early as possible as late as necessary'. I'm not sure of the details. She may not support same sex marriage- I'm not sure.
I'm pretty certain she's in the 'you do you, I'll do me' camp, feels she doesn't need to know what anyone else's sexuality is or police who sleeps with who.

Her sole focus is protection of women's spaces, women's language, and girls' bodies from colonisation by bloody men.

She's an atheist and pro-choice @picklemewalnuts

Oh how embarrassing! I'm clearly confusing her with someone else that was regularly harassed by police...

Shall I get my post deleted?

She also appeared with and and is hugely supportive of Dr. Julia Long, a Lesbian.

Caroline Farrow?

Yes you’re thinking of Caroline Farrow

No, @picklemewalnuts , no need for your post to be deleted. You asked a question in good faith and were answered.

I'm not actually sure what right wing positions she's supposed to hold.

I suspect that she might be ok with term limits on abortion, similar to what already exist. But frankly that is the majority of the population including at the least the center left.

There aren't any other views of hers I can think of that seem to be particularly right wing.

What's also weird is that the moderate right is also connected by many of these people with viewpoints that are by no means universal there, or in some cases even common. That they are racist, hate women, are homophobic. There are lots of women on the right, lots of black people on the right, lots of gay people on the right. Many people on the right are quite happy with that.

There's something very weird with the way these people imagine the political spectrum looks.

I think the reality is it's time to move away from labels. Certainly if you're GC, the far left, and mainstream left have been happy to leave you. Even on the right, imagine if Theresa May or Penny Mordant had prospered.
Polly Toynbee, Ash Sarkar, Lisa Nandy etc, they don't want to know you.

I just find myself unable to grasp this complete need in people to group clusters of beliefs together as though one was an inevitable consequence of believing another. I don't need to say my beliefs are "KJK's beliefs" or 'left-wing beliefs' - no need to pick a cluster when I can choose the individual beliefs.

I believe that sex is real and sometimes it matters.
I don't call myself a TERF as "being trans" is a) indefinable as far as I can see and b) not the reason I would exclude anyone from feminism.

If someone voices the same belief I would agree with that belief but that wouldn't mean I "support" every other belief they hold. How would anyone even have the time to find out what so many people's other beliefs were? What if they also believed that calling all school holidays 'half-term' was acceptable - would I have to position myself on the opposite political side to them?

Oh god seeing Drew barrymore do that for DM was actually cringe.

@UrsulaPandress
It is strange. If a British conservative identifies as a Terf it seems possible. But somehow it seems harder to believe an American conservative can also really be a Terf. In that context the two identities seem mutually exclusive. Although they can be GC obvs, and I would say the vast majority of American Conservatives are GC.

I'm pretty conservative and I'm a Lesbian. We exist! Over the years I've still stayed socially conservative but moved economically more to the Social Democrats position. Im also a religious pagan and a TERF! People are actually complex...

I would say the vast majority of American Conservatives are GC.

I wouldn't. They put as much importance on gender roles as the gender ideologues - the difference is that they think the roles are fixed by your sex, rather than being able to hop into another gender box on a whim.

Agree.

I’d say Christian Conservatives are ‘Transgender Critical’ rather than ‘Gender Critical’. - the latter refers to Gender’s feminist definition, which is pretty much, ‘Sex Stereotypes’.

Yes! I've conflated two people!

So it's even less understandable that 'official' feminists have squeezed her out.

They are both strong, forthright, similar aged, blonde, mothers (one a mother of 4, the other a mother of 5) who drive the trans activists potty and are subjected to police harassment as a result.
Both have made public criticisms of Susie Green (and used the C word to describe the op that Green had performed on her child to ‘celebrate’ said child’s 16th birthday).

One is a Catholic (and has the views on abortion and marriage that go with Catholicism) and one is an Atheist (and has different views on abortion and marriage to the Catholic one).

It’s a reasonable mistake to make and I doubt either would take offence at the mix up!

There is an awful lot of similarity between facism and TRA.