Did Senator Lidia Thorpe Try To Attack KJK At The Canberra Event? Your Thoughts?

[EpicChaos]

Just found this SKY News piece on YT about it.
It appears to show Thorpe making her way towards KJK and then being dealt with by security.
I watched the Canberra event on YT but never picked up on this at the time. Did anyone else? What that woman ( KJK ) has to cope with, sheesh!
An elected representative behaving like that - how shameful!
As for our Aussie sisters that took part in the Australian events, well done all of you very brave, very stunning women.
One day, your names will be written in the history books - for being on the right side!

[IwantToRetire]

There are pages about this on the now full thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4740148-let-women-speak-australia-nz-tour

Not trying to stop anyone going over it all again, but sadly it will probably bring out all those who came on the thread to blame KJK for that and everything else, including two groups of men having a w^y contest.

As they already have.

But to sum up, there is an agreed procedure for having a chance at the mike, ie just join the queue. If somebody of either sex or any status attempts to break through the security staff employed to stop people storming the stage, with possible violent intent, then security staff do their job.

[RoseslnTheHospital]

Well said @IwantToRetire

[SinnerBoy]

landOFconfusion · Today 01:04

Empty words from an empty vessel.

There's no need to describe your screed, we sussed you long ago.

[MissLucyEyelesbarrow]

Lidia is mad as a box of frogs, but I doubt she was actually going to attack KJK. But neither KJK or the police knew that for sure. Lidia has form for bizarre and confrontational behaviour. She charmingly told another senator with a disabled child that she should have kept her legs shut. She also briefly dated a violent gangster then lied about it.

The police appeared to me to do the minimum necessary to protect KJK. All Lidia’s writhing around on the ground afterwards was her own choice.

[Boiledbeetle]

"Empty words from an empty vessel."

Odd way to describe your own posts, but hey ho

[EpicChaos]

I thought i'd read the whole of that thread, must have missed some pages though, easy done, you've done it yourself before now @IwantToRetire .
I do remember seeing mention of paracetamol girl last time i checked in on it, i think, so easy thing to do, completely miss that there'd been hassle, d'oh!.

Oh well, this might be a good chance to remind the hard of thinking, that if you wish to attend and be taken seriously, then behave accordingly!

[EpicChaos]

She sounds like a right charmer then @MissLucyEyelesbarrow jebus, how on earth do we end up with these oxygen thieves invading our decision making processes and places?
We deserve far better regardless of the country we live in, instead of the parasites we seem to have ended up with.

@Boiledbeetle Ooooh, now that's a burn, lol :-D

[IwantToRetire]

@EpicChaos I know when threads are so long. It was more that I stupidly tried to follow it all the way through, but towards the end 90% was just a derail. And as I am up long past my behind I just felt a bit tired and weary of it happening all over again.

But I do think that even in circumstances where you could say security staff are just doing their job, when you see the image of a woman being physically restrained by a man or two, it can feel this shouldn't happen. But then ever at FiLia where supposedly there were women as bouncers for the social last year, men were called in to physically remove a woman someone decided (even though she had a ticket) that she shouldn't be allowed in.

Not forgetting that it is a well known tactic of the left to create a scenario where the police within their remit use if not force physical contact to move someone on. Again if the someone is female and the police male the optics are hard not to read as men exercising their greater strength over a woman.

The most famous, and carefully framed to create a photo op for a journalist (who went on to win a prize) was at the Sarah Everard memorial event. Both family and organisers had said no political banners or loud hailers, so needless to say Sisters Uncut turned up after hours of peaceful rememberance, with banners and loud hailers and encouraged the crowd to surge towards the smallest space possible the band stand. Police rightly thinking it could cause a crush (not forgeting that a crush can have horrific consequences) asked them to move on. If you dont "move on" when police ask you to whether you are rubber knecking a car crash or something more trivial, you are causing an obstruction and they can move you on. And if you have had the right training you know at which moment they are moving you of to "go floppy" as it creates a dramatic photo op for journos. And if you then fail to cooperate you get dragged away. Again good photo op. Added to which in this instance Sisters Uncut coopted the coverage of what should have been thoughtful and respectful memory of Sarah Everard to be a recruiting tool for those opposed to the Policing Bill.

Dont know enough about Australian politics to say this was as thought out as that.

But if you or I charge through a line of security or police surely neither of us would think they will just stand back and politely let you through?

[IwantToRetire]

ha ha - long past my bed time - amusing typo

long past my behind
long past my bed time

[PorcelinaV]

This is foolish. You don't get to disrupt other people's events, or give a hostile speech when you haven't been invited.

Would KJK be allowed to just turn up and speak at a trans-activism event? Or you think maybe that security would kick her out?

The trans-activism side already has lots of platforms to speak on. They aren't being prevented from speaking. They don't need to gatecrash someone else's event to speak.

Now if you wanted an event where the two sides could debate each other, I think that's a great idea, but I doubt the trans side wants that sort of open debate.

[EpicChaos]

@IwantToRetire " And as I am up long past my behind "
That sounds incredibly painful lol a gymnastic feat that i wouldn't wish to attempt tbh. :D
Yes, it's not easy to be fully conversant with every post on every thread, especially when they're busy and getting a lot of traffic in a short space of time.
Threads like that make for very interesting reading but a nightmare to keep up with, even if you're not posting to it yourself and are just reading.

As you rightly say, it's a very difficult situation when men are having to deal with women in a safety setting. With the extra difficulty when dealing with tra's, as there's just no saying what they might do. Rightly, or wrongly, i view them all with a great amount of suspicion because i don't think they're sane and i just don't trust them. That Lidia could well have been carrying a knife, who knows and who knows how far handmaidens are prepared to go, in order to prove their fealty to men. I wouldn't take a chance on finding out the hard way.

Fingers crossed that you're soon long in front of your behind. :-)

[NotYourCisterinAus]

Here's some footage (from the ABC no less) of Lidia Thorpe racing up behind KJK yelling "You are not welcome, you are not welcome!" Security moves up to block her and the police remove her (and they're trying to get her to her feet, not throw her down) - https://twitter.com/i/status/1638739955529785347

Here's Lidia refering to Kellie-Jay as "that thing": https://twitter.com/i/status/1638723051771633666

And Posie arguing with a TRA - not screaming, threatening or spitting at her! - who spoke at Let Women Speak:

[EpicChaos]

Thanks for posting those @NotYourCisterinAus handy to have them on the thread, should anyone wish to check them out if they haven't seen them before.

[FOJN]

Lidia Thorpe would have been welcome to speak at the event but she didn't want to, she was there to disrupt. None of the other women who spoke charged the stage from behind, they waited their turn and were given the mic.

[PorcelinaV]

So she didn't want to speak, and she actually wanted the whole event banned.

So more authoritarian censorship from them.

[risefromyourgrave]

She says ‘let women speak,’ not ‘let women run towards people with possible malintent,’

Try harder.

[turbonerd]

In the videos I’ve seen she was definitely striding towards KJK at some speed whilst yelling «you are not welcome here».
She was not deterred by the first security guard either. The second (and Third and fourth) had to step in.
She did do a sort of flop. I have used it myself when being attacked, so charitably thought Lydia did the same. I didn’t realise activists
have training in this sort of optics.
Every day is a school day.

On the other thread this was spun as victim blaming and the equivalent of saying «she walked into his fists».
Two posters were disgusted.

I was a part of the derail there, but the allegations were so far out I thought it best to try to refute them.

[Wellies54]

Given what happened to Salman Rushdie and the former Japanese president I think KJK's security are absolutely right to be on high alert to anyone rushing towards her from behind. If Lidia had a reasonable concern and wanted to speak she could have waited and asked politely just like anyone else.

[NecessaryScene]

 I didn’t realise activists have training in this sort of optics. Every day is a school day.


Couple of short podcast pieces by James Lindsay here on the topic - I posted one to the other thread.


, including a link

[NecessaryScene]

Oops. Not sure what I pressed for the premature post.

Anyway, podcasts talking about it:

https://newdiscourses.com/2023/03/mid-level-violence/
https://newdiscourses.com/2023/02/action-reaction-and-beautiful-trouble/

And one of the training outfits in question:

https://beautifultrouble.org/

Now, I doubt most people there were putting in that much forethought, but this Thorpe person is clearly one of such repeat performers, like that woman from the Sisters Uncut show mentioned above.

[Redebs]

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

Lidia is mad as a box of frogs, but I doubt she was actually going to attack KJK. But neither KJK or the police knew that for sure. Lidia has form for bizarre and confrontational behaviour. She charmingly told another senator with a disabled child that she should have kept her legs shut. She also briefly dated a violent gangster then lied about it.

The police appeared to me to do the minimum necessary to protect KJK. All Lidia’s writhing around on the ground afterwards was her own choice.

And if you plan to be writhing on the ground in protest or spreadeagled in front of something, why would you choose to wear a mini skirt?

[namitynamechange]

She has form for this. If KJK protesters had deliberately stopped a pride parade float I don't think we'd hear the last of it... . Annoyingly there are people who are actually victims of police violence across the world - but Thorpe's antics and claims of being brutalised just reducess credibility for real cases.

[MrGHardy]

I saw the video and thought I cannot believe that that is a senator.

Then I googled Lidia Thorpe and cannot believe the media reaction. Reporting how shocking it is she was pulled to the ground. Have these people seen the video? What were the police supposed to do, let her attack?

[ZombieMumEB]

A lot of my social media from fellow Australians have not responded to Lidia's performance too well.

The main stream media might have one opinion, but the average Australian is the opposite. Her behaviour just proves why women like KJK are important.