‘Identifying as a woman’ is self-defeating, so instead this leads to...

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I saw a tweet the other days where a transwomen was miffed when another transwoman was in the ladies toilets as it ‘spoilt the point’. So thinking where this all ultimately leads to:

• All spaces mixed sex
• Sex-based terms and pronouns meaningless with children brought up on it not even realising it once had a sex based meaning
• Men’s sport and other men’s sports
• Health information referring to what? Euphemisms? Sex-based body part names are a no no
• Fetishes losing their allure as no element of being forbidden or crossing boundaries so what next?

what else?

It is a lot less ridiculous actually.

My children are mixed mixed mixed race. They can identify as any ethnicity on the planet pretty much.
1/32 of anything you can think of.

Who are you to tell them which part of their heritage they should identify with?

Sex, on the other hand, is determined at conception. It is in all your DNA. You cannot identify in or out of which sex you are. Not possible.

I don't agree with that either. It's utter madness.

Not any more entitled than self ID-ing as the opposite sex.

It really is. Once we accept (or not, if you have the common sense you were born with and a basic grasp of biology) that people can identify as the opposite sex and it’s legitimised then the next step along the line of utter madness is that no characteristic is protected and spaces, services and so on are a free for all.

Sorry, I should have used the quote function - my last post to @Socrateswasrightaboutvoting

Ever heard of context? The comment on Race self ID was made in the context of people who are not women self ID'ing as women. Which translates to people who are not part of a race deciding to self ID as that race eg the white guy who has decided he is Korean and had had loads of surgery or the white woman the US who decided she was African American and even took a job that was meant for a person of colour in spite of having no African American culture or ancestry. Your children can identify as they wish according to their ethnicity, sadly depending on what they look like people will decide to treat them how they perceive them. 1/32nd is as racist as f&ck! Are you white by any chance? Do better and educate yourself and whilst you are at it stay in your lane.

One of my favourite videos on YouTube is a discussion hosted by Victoria Derbyshire, with Jane Fae and Emile Ratelband on as guests - Emile is the (then) 69yo Dutchman who wanted to be legally recognised as the 49yo that he claimed to identify as.

Jane was deeply offended and absolutely furious at him for trying to 'appropriate' and 'make fun of' the 'struggles' that trans people go through by playing ridiculous games that so obviously fly in the face of common sense.

One commenter said something like "One crazy person telling another crazy person that he isn't allowed to be crazy!"

And do those trans boys really want to undress in front of biological boys? Have these trans kids even thought this through? I don’t mean the biological boys would be a threat but that young biological school girls (regardless of their trans label they still have girl bodies) would be every bit as uncomfortable as the real boys.

Why is it? The only physical difference between me and a black woman is superficial; skin tone, hair. Nothing like all the very significant difference between me and a man.

And do those trans boys really want to undress in front of biological boys? Have these trans kids even thought this through? I don’t mean the biological boys would be a threat but that young biological school girls (regardless of their trans label they still have girl bodies) would be every bit as uncomfortable as the real boys.

Yes, it's embarrassing for the actual boys, but it's equally embarrassing for the trans boys (ie biological girls). t's also a massive safeguarding risk. The school obviously understands this, which feels like a miracle in itself.

I wonder, as these trans boys get older, whether they ever get comfortable using male-only spaces?

There was a Reddit post (I think) going round a while ago by a lesbian who, with the best intentions, had set up two of her male lesbian-identifying friends & not mentioned to either of them that the other was trans. Because TWAW.

She couldn’t understand why they were both furious with her.

It's always very interesting when people insist on changing the rules for everybody else but are then grossly offended when people also expect them to abide by their own rules!

The complaint about third spaces is it isn’t validating. But if the word ‘woman’ is fully accepted to include men, and all spaces are mixed sex then surely the whole thing is no longer validating? That is why we see some TW disagreeing with self ID wanting to gatekeep TW - because it means they are no longer validated,

I presume ‘they/them’ will also lose its edge if everyone is referred to that way as default.

Its not 'racist' to be aware that 'races' are socially constructed categories, with a loose association with some physical characteristics, such as skin colour.

So pretending to be another 'race' is never going to be as ridiculous as a man pretending to be a woman, as these are two completely distinct types of human.

Its not helpful to accuse people of racism because they disagree with you.

This is exactly the issue as I see it. I don't identify as a woman so there is no logical reason for me to be in the 'women's' toilet. This appears to genuinely leave me without a place to pee (which is all I really want to do....) but also fails to offer the validation that the males who identify as trans want. Because in reality, they can only get the validation they want if I accept the identity they are forcing on me. It's not me who wants to restrict people's identity, it's them.

I’m surprised by the number of middle aged married heterosexual women now calling themselves non-binary or queer.
Hopefully all the teens will see how naff it is when your mum is doing it.

My worry is the next self ID is age. All these middle aged men call themselves ‘girls’ after all.

Excellent point. Sex is based on biological differences. 'Race' is not.

So a girl is supposed to be safe if she is forced to share with a boy who identifies as a girl, but a girl who identifies as a boy is not deemed safe with a boy?

And yet they keep saying, "we just want to pee!"

No.

If you just wanted to pee, you could pee in the toilets designated for people of your own sex. There are only two sexes, and everyone is either one or the other. If toilets are segregated by sex, everyone has a place to pee, including trans people.

If they are segregated by "gender identity", then most people, including you and me, legitimately don't have a place to pee.

Saying you want to pee in the toilets which match your gender identity is just a dishonest way of saying you want to pee in the toilets for people of the opposite sex. And then throw your toys out of the pram when someone of the same sex as you who also claims to have the same gender identity as you is in there too.

Sports would ultimately be divided into i) mens and ii) mens with temporarily reduced testosterone.
Women would be out of any sport requiring strength or speed.

I completely agree.

Neither of them are safe. I'm wondering how the school is justifying this, hopefully they are saying "you parents are bananas, we are keeping your daughters safe thankyouverymuch".

I appear White. But I have ancestry from a lot of places, mainly Europe and Africa.
The father of my children mainly Europe and East-Asia ++.

What lane would you like me to stay in?
What lane would you like my children to stay in?

They have an Asian surname, they don’t look Asian. Some Asians have reacted not too well to that, but it is their name through their father’s side.

FWIW I have never «appropriated» any culture apart from where I was born and raised, but lived in the UK for many years before I happily moved back home where I belonged. Sadly that is not the same place some of my children feel they belong.

1/32 referred to great great great grandparents heritage. We all have 32 grandparents, unless first cousins have married first cousins. I don’t know all of mine that far back, but we are coastal people and ancestors are from all over the place. Maybe that is considered racist but that is how I was taught to track family History.

Would it be better to put it in percentages like dna ancestry test kits do?

Going really far back; I have Neanderthal mixed in with my Homo Sapiens dna. My children will also have at least Denisovan dna in addition.

I don’t actually give a toss which lane you think I should stay in.
And increasingly not if people find me racist for stating that there is only one human race, consisting of two sexes - woman and man.

Yes, I know of colonial History and the atrocities committed because of race Theory, social darwinism and eugenics.