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Tanya Carter from SSA live on Radio4 at noon today #RSEdebate

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/03/2023 09:48

Tune in the BBC Radio 4's Anti Social programme at noon today to hear our spokeswoman Tanya Carter discuss the #RSEDebate with Sophie Whitehead from the School of Sexuality Education.

She will be discussing topics such as how to protect girls in schools from sexual harassment and whether modelling genitals out of play doh helps. She will be talking about the importance of putting #safeguarding at the heart of all school policies and how this is particularly important for RSE. She will hopefully be discussing some of the examples that have been shared with us by parents and teachers and explaining why they contravene safeguarding frameworks, government guidance, and the law.

This is what we have previously written about SoSE:
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/02/05/the-school-of-sexuality-education/

We hope to also be able to discuss this book as whilst the topic of tomorrow’s debate is explicit sex education and not gender identity ideology in schools, there is very much crossover between the two subjects.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/03/05/inclusive-teenage-guide-to-sex-and-relationships-a-review/

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SinnerBoy · 19/03/2023 22:30

Melroses · Today 14:52

It is quite possible that Ms. Deen taught my daughter, but the school, the SSE and even the ICO have all refused to tell me who was in the classroom. They say the privacy of a teacher outweighs the public interest to know who is teaching our children.

That's palpable nonsense, a lie if you will. My daughter started middle school in September and we received emails with the name of her class tutor and subject teachers, with a link to the school website. The website has teacher biographies, along with a precis of the subjects they will be learning.

At her previous school, they had an artist come in and the school took the trouble to say that she'd been full DRB checked. If they do that for an elderly female artist, why do they not for an apparently badly qualified person teaching sex practices to 11 & 12 year olds?

And as a PP said, schools can't just tell you that safeguarding checks have been done and then deny access to the report.

Melroses · 19/03/2023 22:45

There is a crowd funder with a message saying that this decision is being appealed.

The appeal is due around now - crowdfund message says Feb/Mar.

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2fallsfromSSA · 27/03/2023 09:10

Just dropping in to say Tanya will be on Woman's hour this morning

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ArabellaScott · 27/03/2023 09:11

Great, will try to tune in.

nauticant · 27/03/2023 10:02

Oh, interesting, the whole programme today is devoted to RSE in schools.

Ramblingnamechanger · 27/03/2023 11:03

Is there a thing generally in schools/ education where subjects are led by the children, which is what Dr Sophie was advocating. Tania was clear that the dangers of porn should be pointed out . Gender ideology was tiptoes around as always.

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2fallsfromSSA · 27/03/2023 11:36

Yes Rambling, nothing else in schools is child led? Why are we allowing sex education to be child led, particularly by children who have already been possibly exposed to non contact child abuse, which is what porn is to under 18s

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WarriorN · 27/03/2023 18:09

Safeguarding is not child led.

It's led by adults who recognise what is harmful to children's physical and mental health.

ResisterRex · 27/03/2023 18:13

Any adult pushing for child led sex education needs steering well clear of.

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2fallsfromSSA · 27/03/2023 18:22

Here is our response to Sophie's thread which talks about the "perceived innocence of children". twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1640345385196478471?s=20

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FrancescaContini · 27/03/2023 18:38

This thread and especially some of the links added are eye opening 🤬

SinnerBoy · 28/03/2023 02:11

I can't believe that she honestly believes that 13 year olds can consent meaningfully to sex. She also doesn't seem to know that gender isn't sex.

borntobequiet · 28/03/2023 05:47

I expect that quite a lot of listeners don’t think that a 13 yo can consent meaningfully to sex. I wonder what their email inbox is actually like.

Zeugma · 28/03/2023 10:34

And their answer is just to wave it away with '…..well, the kids are doing it anyway so how can you stop them…' Exactly the same argument as with porn. ‘They’re going to see it anyway so we can’t stop it.' A counsel of despair.

ResisterRex · 28/03/2023 10:38

Zeugma · 28/03/2023 10:34

And their answer is just to wave it away with '…..well, the kids are doing it anyway so how can you stop them…' Exactly the same argument as with porn. ‘They’re going to see it anyway so we can’t stop it.' A counsel of despair.

Yes. And can you imagine that in other areas of the curriculum?

"Well they're gonna play with chemicals anyway so..."

"Well they're gonna use a sliding saw anyway so..."

It simply would not wash. No one would accept it.

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