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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jamie Lee Curtis

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MintTeaAndChocolate · 16/03/2023 18:35

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/jamie-lee-curtis-oscar-they-them-trans-daughter-everything-everywhere-all-at-once-gender-neutral-b1067674.html

Oh Jamie 🙄

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Happylittlechicken · 17/03/2023 10:31

Teatime55 · 17/03/2023 10:07

I believe that she supports trans people in sport. But doesn’t support gender neutral Oscar nominations - you know, because she wouldn’t win then.

He’s not trans, he’s a porn addict enabled by his mother not to grow up.

Surprised Meme GIF

She dies, she’s said she wants gender less categories in the Oscar’s. Funny if it ends up like the brits did and no women get nominated… she’ll pull a Sam smith then

UsefulChocReindeer · 17/03/2023 10:37

DemiColon · 17/03/2023 08:42

Here is an interesting thing I've noticed: there are a lot of people who seem really confused about what it means to love a child and accept a parental role absolutely, even as an adult.

It does not have to mean being 100% on board with everything said child has done or is doing, agreeing about every idea said child has, or anything else like that. I would expect any parent, especially one in the limelight, to affirm love for their kids, without any assumptions about the parent agreeing with the kids politics or actions or anything else.

I always wonder with people who think like this - if a child does something really really wrong, that you can't justify, what do you do, justify it anyway or reject the child? I've known people with kids who became high end drug dealers, had affairs and treated their spouses terribly, who embezzled money, and there are people whose kids become murderers and rapists and such. Usually the parents still love them, often they may maintain a relationship with them.

It's not like we have to affirm everything someone does in order to recognize they have an inalienable human value or even to love them. And I would even say that recognizing that even people who do bad things or are really messed up have inalienable human value is a more profound kind of love than this affirming bs.

I agree with DemiColon. When you find yourself with a child (even an adult aged child) who is severely unhappy, looking for an answer and they believe gender identity is that answer - many parents will try to support their child, regardless of their own feelings on women's rights, trans medical and political issues.

My trans identifying child is well aware of my political views, but it's something that we avoid talking about because my child is my child, I love them and they need and want my support.

I may be wrong to not discuss politics with them, but I don't need to force them to hear my opinions any more than they should force me to hear theirs. We know where we each stand, but hopefully my kid also knows that I love them unconditionally.

Maybe JLC's child needs or wants that public show of support from JLC. Doesn't have to mean that JLC agrees with every aspect of their kid's life and choices.

UsefulChocReindeer · 17/03/2023 10:39

There's another thread running about how we are not exactly the same as other groups just because we share one belief - people are nuanced. JLC can be nuanced.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 17/03/2023 10:51

SignOnTheWindow · 16/03/2023 22:32

Could be that the daughter doesn't want her mum talking about her on social media, though.

I dunno - Annie doesn’t seem to want a non-celebrity, completely private life (and of course it would be understandable if she did want privacy, but also, if you work in showbiz, you may as well use your showbiz connections).
Annie seems to go by her dad’s surname (he is also very successful in that world but in a lower profile way than JLC).

Annie’s work sounds admirable: www.thelist.com/715043/everything-we-know-about-jamie-lee-curtis-daughter-annie/

CovertImage · 17/03/2023 10:58

DialSquare · 16/03/2023 21:13

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole yesterday about this after reading a Dame Katy Denise Twitter post. Felt a bit grubby afterwards.

God, I love Dame Katy Denise

DialSquare · 17/03/2023 11:12

God, I love Dame Katy Denise

Me too! I'm not even on Twitter but I read it a lot and always go to Dame Katy's feed first.
This one cracked me up!

Jamie Lee Curtis
Datun · 17/03/2023 12:46

I've never heard of that account.

Senokot, Butane. Brisket. 😁

DialSquare · 17/03/2023 13:11

Datun · 17/03/2023 12:46

I've never heard of that account.

Senokot, Butane. Brisket. 😁

Dauphinoise was a personal favourite!

Musomama1 · 17/03/2023 16:08

Teatime55 · 17/03/2023 10:07

I believe that she supports trans people in sport. But doesn’t support gender neutral Oscar nominations - you know, because she wouldn’t win then.

He’s not trans, he’s a porn addict enabled by his mother not to grow up.

Yes I saw that too re gender neutral Oscars.

Seems like the ultimate luxury position and quite a wind up. Gender doesn't matter unless it directly affects something meaningful to me.

ElonsMusky · 18/03/2023 00:28

good for her, she's awesome!

IamAporcupine · 18/03/2023 00:51

ElonsMusky · 18/03/2023 00:28

good for her, she's awesome!

Your username sounds familiar
I think posters were waiting for you elsewhere for a science lesson?

ElonsMusky · 18/03/2023 00:58

IamAporcupine · 18/03/2023 00:51

Your username sounds familiar
I think posters were waiting for you elsewhere for a science lesson?

I've been advised that the GC cultists on mumsnet do not consider peer reviewed science from well respected journals to be good enough.

CremeEggQueen · 18/03/2023 01:14

IamAporcupine · 18/03/2023 00:51

Your username sounds familiar
I think posters were waiting for you elsewhere for a science lesson?

Elsewhere?
So on a different thread presumably?
So what's that question got to do with this thread 😕

Tinysoxxx · 18/03/2023 01:38

I am a peer reviewed published scientist and was a biology teacher. As well as a mum. Quite a lot of us mums will have a science background and have published stuff. No idea which article you are referring to.

Codlingmoths · 18/03/2023 03:08

UsefulChocReindeer · 17/03/2023 10:37

I agree with DemiColon. When you find yourself with a child (even an adult aged child) who is severely unhappy, looking for an answer and they believe gender identity is that answer - many parents will try to support their child, regardless of their own feelings on women's rights, trans medical and political issues.

My trans identifying child is well aware of my political views, but it's something that we avoid talking about because my child is my child, I love them and they need and want my support.

I may be wrong to not discuss politics with them, but I don't need to force them to hear my opinions any more than they should force me to hear theirs. We know where we each stand, but hopefully my kid also knows that I love them unconditionally.

Maybe JLC's child needs or wants that public show of support from JLC. Doesn't have to mean that JLC agrees with every aspect of their kid's life and choices.

I absolutely agree with this. I suspect being an adoptive loving parent makes it harder too- you would very much want to make your child feel like they are yours and unconditionally loved.
we borrowed a book from the library called something like where do I come from, by jlc. And it was lovely- listed things various people had brought with when leaving or possibly fleeing their country and encouraged the reader to think what they would pack. Some nice conversations with my children. I think she’s wildly wrong on the trans topic but her heart is in the right place.

OhMammaMia · 18/03/2023 03:59

I'm curious who will inherit the title from Christopher Guest. Annie is the firstborn, and Ruby is supposedly also a woman now, so will it be Annie?

OldCrone · 18/03/2023 07:14

OhMammaMia · 18/03/2023 03:59

I'm curious who will inherit the title from Christopher Guest. Annie is the firstborn, and Ruby is supposedly also a woman now, so will it be Annie?

I read somewhere that neither of them can inherit because they are adopted. It will go to his younger brother or a nephew or (male) cousin.

Hereditary peerages are also exempt from changes to legal sex under the GRA. Only males can inherit, no matter how anyone identifies.

SpoonfulofArsnicMakesTheMedicineGoDown · 18/03/2023 07:50

ElonsMusky · 18/03/2023 00:58

I've been advised that the GC cultists on mumsnet do not consider peer reviewed science from well respected journals to be good enough.

Happy with whatever you have to offer. YouTube clownfish videos included.

But I must admit I am disappointed we are not getting a PowerPoint with animated clipart. You've had enough time to add sounds too. Lazy.

OhMammaMia · 18/03/2023 13:45

Wow, thank you @OldCrone I didn't know either of those.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 18/03/2023 16:25

OldCrone · 18/03/2023 07:14

I read somewhere that neither of them can inherit because they are adopted. It will go to his younger brother or a nephew or (male) cousin.

Hereditary peerages are also exempt from changes to legal sex under the GRA. Only males can inherit, no matter how anyone identifies.

I just looked this one up - as Christopher Guest (5th Baron of Baden) has no heir apparent (no legitimate biological sons) the heir presumptive is his younger brother, the actor Nicholas Guest.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Haden-Guest

It’s a pretty new title, as peerages go, created for Christopher’s grandad (a former Labour MP) in 1950

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Haden-Guest,_1st_Baron_Haden-Guest

Looks like Nicholas has two daughters so if he does get his big bro’s title he has no heir apparent either, nor does he have an heir presumptive, so most likely the title will become extinct (some variations on this exist but they are written into the original patent from when the peerage was created).

Christopher and Nicholas have an older half brother (the 4th baron’s eldest son) who was born before his parents were married and thus not considered eligible for dad’s title:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Haden-Guest

www.regencyresearcher.com/pages/succession1.html

www.regencyresearcher.com/pages/peer1.html

If Ruby was a bio son there is no reason to believe that a gender transition, even a legal one via a GRC, would’ve made any difference to the male line of succession - see Matilda Simon, 3rd Baron of Wythenshawe - born the male heir apparent of the 2nd baron, who has an older sister.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1527933519682580481

(I suspect being an American is far more of an issue than being trans when it comes to hereditary titles!)

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