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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jamie Lee Curtis

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MintTeaAndChocolate · 16/03/2023 18:35

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/jamie-lee-curtis-oscar-they-them-trans-daughter-everything-everywhere-all-at-once-gender-neutral-b1067674.html

Oh Jamie 🙄

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DerekFaker · 16/03/2023 21:10

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 21:02

I'm shocked that Rubys Twitter and Instagram feeds are filled with what they are filled with. Shocked I tell you! Shocked.

(Not in the slightest bit shocked)

Sheeesh. How old is Ruby? 30s?

DialSquare · 16/03/2023 21:13

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole yesterday about this after reading a Dame Katy Denise Twitter post. Felt a bit grubby afterwards.

Hoardasurass · 16/03/2023 21:15

Jlc on twitter twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1635727608985059328?s=20

nauticant · 16/03/2023 22:02

Late 20s apparently DerekFaker:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/newsmakers/2210733.stm

SignOnTheWindow · 16/03/2023 22:32

Happylittlechicken · 16/03/2023 19:26

And yet her actual daughter, a celebrated dancer and dance teacher who specialises is teaching disabled children….. not a dickey bird. Funny that isn’t it?

Could be that the daughter doesn't want her mum talking about her on social media, though.

ancientgran · 16/03/2023 23:54

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/03/2023 20:20

Lol yes @KatMcBundleFace I’ve never heard it that apparently well known rumour either about JLC & I’m definitely old enough to have been around for JLC career from the early days

Well that doesn't mean there wasn't a rumour as you would find if you do a google search. I didn't imagine it and if you can't google it nauticant has posted a link.

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 23:58

DialSquare · 16/03/2023 21:13

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole yesterday about this after reading a Dame Katy Denise Twitter post. Felt a bit grubby afterwards.

Is that the one with jack Duckworth as her photo?

DialSquare · 17/03/2023 07:04

Is that the one with jack Duckworth as her photo?

Yep!

TheGreatATuin · 17/03/2023 07:11

I do have some sympathy for her in that it must be difficult to have a grown child who clearly has serious issues, but my sympathy ends when she defends and enables severely misogynistic behaviour. Ruby appears to be one of those people who grew up not hearing a 'no', and still doesn't even though Ruby is now an adult.

TheGreatATuin · 17/03/2023 07:45

It's worth noting also that JLC's parents were Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis. She's not someone who came from an ordinary background and then became famous. She's spent her life surrounded by wealth, privilege and Hollywood woo. She won't have much real life understanding of the lives of genuinely vulnerable and at risk women and girls.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/03/2023 07:47

DialSquare · 16/03/2023 21:13

I went down a bit of a rabbit hole yesterday about this after reading a Dame Katy Denise Twitter post. Felt a bit grubby afterwards.

Yeah, I didn’t even go down a rabbit hole just clicked on a link that had a photo of Ruby and one of Ruby’s tweets and I need brain bleach.
Supporting your trans child is fine but if one of my children posted things like that on social media I would not allow my account to be linked to theirs by tweeting their name like that.
And if people push back, Jamie, it doesn’t mean they hate trans people, it means your beloved child is being rather unpleasant and people don’t like it.

NotHavingIt · 17/03/2023 08:05

ancientgran · 16/03/2023 19:29

She has had years of speculation on if she is intersex, did she have surgery etc so maybe she is just supportive of people with sex/gender identity issues.

Really? I wasn't aware of that.

Perhaps it is because she had short hair for much of her career and was lithe and athletic? She went against the grain of the Hollywood babe.

Mrsjayy · 17/03/2023 08:08

DemiColon · 16/03/2023 18:38

she's never been anything but typically Hollywood in her opinions, as far as I know.

Though it's interesting that she has a sense that recognizing women in the film industry is important.

Yes she still recognises and sees the importance of women, whilst support her trans daughter. I'm not sure what she is supposed to do, reject her child ?

Happylittlechicken · 17/03/2023 08:27

So she recognises women in the film industry, but includes males in the category of woman. So basically she’s saying recognising males in the film industry is important if they claim to have a trans identity. So women can’t even have that. 😞😞😞

Moopsi · 17/03/2023 08:34

If my child had a nappy fetish I would be doing everything in my power not to create extra publicity for them. It's absolutely disgusting and creepy.

Musomama1 · 17/03/2023 08:38

Definitely remember those daft rumours m JLC having a DSD. It was one of those urban myths.

I'm a big fan of JLC she has come across as outspoken on issues of child rearing (has written a book or two) and a fiercely devoted mother.
She's also wanted to provide stability to her two adopted children no matter what, something I don't think she had in her childhood.
However, she asks too much on behalf of Ruby. Ruby is someone with obvious issues and whilst JLC may feel like loudly affirming and changing the world for them - I feel that is a very blindsided opinion.

DemiColon · 17/03/2023 08:42

Mrsjayy · 17/03/2023 08:08

Yes she still recognises and sees the importance of women, whilst support her trans daughter. I'm not sure what she is supposed to do, reject her child ?

Here is an interesting thing I've noticed: there are a lot of people who seem really confused about what it means to love a child and accept a parental role absolutely, even as an adult.

It does not have to mean being 100% on board with everything said child has done or is doing, agreeing about every idea said child has, or anything else like that. I would expect any parent, especially one in the limelight, to affirm love for their kids, without any assumptions about the parent agreeing with the kids politics or actions or anything else.

I always wonder with people who think like this - if a child does something really really wrong, that you can't justify, what do you do, justify it anyway or reject the child? I've known people with kids who became high end drug dealers, had affairs and treated their spouses terribly, who embezzled money, and there are people whose kids become murderers and rapists and such. Usually the parents still love them, often they may maintain a relationship with them.

It's not like we have to affirm everything someone does in order to recognize they have an inalienable human value or even to love them. And I would even say that recognizing that even people who do bad things or are really messed up have inalienable human value is a more profound kind of love than this affirming bs.

Clawdy · 17/03/2023 09:16

So Ruby is a transgender woman, but has a wife? Or have I got that wrong?

Spidergloves · 17/03/2023 09:19

The abuse I've seen hurled at JLC on Twitter has been absolutely appalling, deeply personal, horrible stuff. The discourse on there just seems to be getting worse.

ancientgran · 17/03/2023 09:20

NotHavingIt · 17/03/2023 08:05

Really? I wasn't aware of that.

Perhaps it is because she had short hair for much of her career and was lithe and athletic? She went against the grain of the Hollywood babe.

I think that is probably a big part of it, I think lots of people found her very attractive, and I think she is, and others did seem to feel she didn't look like they thought a woman should or maybe how a Hollywood star woman should look.

The rumours also featured her name, could be male or female, and her infertility but lets face it there are many reasons for infertility and this isn't the most likely one.

I know someone, not a close friend but a friend of a friend, who faced this when their baby was born, being pushed to decide on surgery to affirm one sex or the other. Your baby having lifesaving surgery is traumatic but deciding to put an otherwise healthy baby through the surgery must also be very traumatic. I'm not sure if things have changed, I'm going back 30 something years, but they were very much encouraged to "decide" on the sex so that it could be "sorted out" so everyone knew the childs identity.

HermioneKipper · 17/03/2023 10:00

I think she’s gone to far in her support of the fetish to back down now - sunk costs fallacy.

Although how you could support your adult son’s porn like drawings is beyond me.

I also wonder if due to him being adopted she’s gone even more full throttle in the support due to all sorts of guilt/rejection issues etc

Teatime55 · 17/03/2023 10:07

I believe that she supports trans people in sport. But doesn’t support gender neutral Oscar nominations - you know, because she wouldn’t win then.

He’s not trans, he’s a porn addict enabled by his mother not to grow up.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2023 10:11

So Ruby is a transgender woman, but has a wife? Or have I got that wrong?

No I think that's it, the wife definitely looks female to me, though I don't know if she identifies in some other way.

HermioneKipper · 17/03/2023 10:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2023 10:11

So Ruby is a transgender woman, but has a wife? Or have I got that wrong?

No I think that's it, the wife definitely looks female to me, though I don't know if she identifies in some other way.

Yep so they’re spicy straights.

And porn addled weirdos judging by the Twitter feed 🤢

Happylittlechicken · 17/03/2023 10:29

Clawdy · 17/03/2023 09:16

So Ruby is a transgender woman, but has a wife? Or have I got that wrong?

Ruby is a male with a wife. So a straight male yes.