Canadian psychiatrist on puberty blockers: "we were wrong"

[OhHolyJesus]

"Dr. Susan Bradley, a Canadian psychiatrist and pioneer in child gender dysphoria treatment, came out against the popular model of affirming children’s transgender identities and putting them on puberty blockers."
"We were wrong,” she said. “They’re not as reversible as we always thought, and they have longer term effects on kids’ growth and development, including making them sterile and quite a number of things affecting their bone growth.

dailycaller.com/2023/03/11/pioneer-in-child-gender-dysphoria-treatment-says-trans-medical-industry-is-harming-kids/

I'm losing track, so that's professionals from Canada, Finland, Sweden and Norway now, saying that this treatment protocol isn't reversible and might have been a bad idea after all. And the U.K. is that right?

And these drugs are still being given to kids?

Wow...Canada? This is huge considering.

I cant see this going down well at all. The ability to understand that in order to ensure the best treatment possible fir anyone, means reporting/investigating the positives and the negatives and making sure everyone involved is fully informed, is always lacking.

When even paracetamol which we give to 6 week old babies comes with a long list of potential side effects, the fact its seen as believable that something so drastic is completely issue free should ring more alarm.bells than it does. How can anyone move forward with best practice if you can't discuss or report what is going wrong.

lots of things prove to have instant gratification/relief attached to them. That doesn't mean long term its a good idea. The fact that's an argument ( that children are instantly relieved ) in the article is pretty lame tbh. You'd think they'd do better given the strength of beliefs in gender ideology amd affirmative " treatment "

I hope Canadians take note and really start to think what they are doing to children.

Nothing useful to add, just bumping

They’re not as reversible as we always thought

Was there ever any evidence that they were reversible? I thought part of the controversy was that at some point they were claimed to be reversible but actually that was only ever linked to cases of delaying precocious puberty to a more appropriate time, rather than using them to block normally occurring puberty. And even linked to precocious puberty they are known to have awful side effects and have been subject to class action suits.

Very interesting. I wonder how this will be received in Canada?

I was recently talking to someone who lives in Canada. He is very unhappy with the direction the country has been taking wrt fully embracing the rainbow ideology. He speaks very clearly with his young children about there only being two sexes, as a result of which his ex-wife’s lawyer sent his lawyer a letter asking him not to be “transphobic” in front of the children. He wants to leave the country for good.

Tbh that part sounded like yet another disclaimer that everyone always has to put in place befire discussing anything. " its not all men/transpeople " or we understand the need ti eb compassionate/sympathetic etc or whatever.

The fact is they know and have known a long time but still have to pretend they didn't and apply a disclaimer before daring to even bring it up.

Meanwhile, Biden has just gone on record describing making it illegal to OPERATE on confused children as "sinful".

Is he going to start listening at any point?

Times has an article on Biden attacking deSantis today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/61006d24-c1fc-11ed-89bb-9ee8b04f3f4c?shareToken=90bc5f6a536539bdb8d84c36838dc589

Also one on French gender wars but I'll make a thread for it if there isn't one yet.

Honestly, I loathe DeSantis and that doddering twat is giving him an open goal.

What she says about people needing acceptance (and help to accept themselves alongside other people accepting them) is interesting. Especially when contrasted with affirmation.

They sound like they should be much the same thing. But they're opposite in various ways. Affirming someone’s desire to be the opposite sex, and their insistence that medical intervention to achieve this will solve their problems, is the exact opposite from accepting themselves and their bodies.

Similarly, other people are required to affirm rather than accept. Affirmation actually creates barriers to acceptance and erodes good will because of what it requires of others and how it affects others.

Accepting that people will wear all sorts of things, do their hair in different ways, wear/not wear make up, like all sorts of stuff is an entirely different prospect to the demand that everyone affirms that a biological man is a woman or that someone can be different genders in different days and acts accordingly. The latter makes the former more difficult in various ways.

Acceptance seems a more sensible goal, linked to general tolerance. But in the 21st century we seem to be obsessed with affirming and validating and championing and the message seems to be that anything else is rejection and erasure. Even therapy is about affirming not reframing and accepting these days.

I know @teawamutu I don't envy the American voters but then I have no clue who to vote for in Scotland either.
Really glad to see someone in Canada publicly coming out against this.

I guess this is good but it makes me bloody angry.

What were these people thinking.

I know a doctor who runs a gender clinic in Canada. This person is completely captured and really believed all of the hype. The lack of critical thinking on the part of this individual was shocking to me from the get-go. There seemed to be a huge need to do what was "progressive" to the point there was no ability to apply any real serious thought. The lobby groups were right, the affirmation people were always going to be right.

I think really questioning any of it would have caused a mental breakdown in this individual who was so invested in being a good person who is supportive and kind.

It is a shock to realize that people like this can get a medical degree, specialize, and go on to run important services. (Though I will controversially say that watching the covid management debacle here was a very similar experience.)

I just think - how could you recommend these interventions that clearly affect the whole body and brain systems without robust, fucking robust, evidence that it is effective and does not harm?

WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED

Good. Sweden last week. Canada now admitting it. Good.

We were wrong!

@DemiColon

This is what worries me wider than just the gender ideology debate. The realisation that a movement that is not only completely unevidenced, unscientific with clear ethical and safeguarding and rights-based concerns, not only that it is unevidenced, but also the evidence points in the opposite direction to what the gender ideologues are claiming, and that movement can have so captured so many institutions and individuals.

I suppose I should have known that we as a species we had not, and perhaps cannot, evolved past such faith based beliefs. But its still terrifying to watch in in action and see that the law makers and decision makers and institutions can be so in hoc to an angry, irrational, unevidenced mob. And to watch them completely unable to address the counter arguments, but still believe anyway. And still act in public policy and law on those beliefs that they cannot in anyway defend. Its genuinely alarming.

In Canada?! Blimey. That's got to be a good sign, right?

How does Biden reconcile his Catholicism with the whole 'born in the wrong body' line? Surely God really couldn't have got it so terribly wrong at the scale we're seeing? I don't see how the two are logically consistent.

But then again, I suspect Biden has lost the plot entirely at this point.

Poor man. Letter back saying not to lie about biology? I suppose that would be seen as transphobic? Canada sounds a real mess.

I hope Canadians take note and really start to think what they are doing to children.

Indeed - and that some sanity leaks across the fairly porous border into the US. (I know, a total fantasy, sadly).

Absolutely with you there Clear.
For me too, this has been the bigger picture shock of it all.

Is he going to start listening at any point?

I don't think so. And he wants to run for a second term. FFS!

You have either got great health or standard health issues.

When you have multi system and complex health issues you realise that these people are linguistics with excellent memory recall skills and low on the critical thinking skills, mix that with a gigantic ego that victim blames rather than accept they are inept - you have very dangerous people who should have worked instead in pathology.

No government inquiry wants to accept this, they like the NHS cult worship in the UK, so this abuse will keep reappearing in various ways, maternity units and blood scandals for example, as there are zero consequences for individuals.

I have I guess a biased view.

After years of suffering abuse and medical gaskighting from NHS staff, I knew they would go along with this because I have been to see most disciplines and its the same story. A third if that have critical thinking skills, most are selfish people who safeguard their job and lie to themselves telling themselves they are lovely. Tavistock GIDS, maternity units aren't one off, it's the same everywhere.

I also believe that the fact these so called scientists (I think a third if that are the rest are parrots - hence cult members) follow the quazi religion of Freud who victim.blamed abuse victims because he feared men and thought he was an anti moses is beyond me, why we are funding NHS that's full of ideology cult members of various types and they spent 2020/2021 telling us follow the science yet they don't!

I can see a few parallels, tbh, between deeply held faith and gender ideology. The only way that the 'wrong body' stuff makes any sense is if you posit the idea of a 'gendered soul'.

<CLEARS THROAT> SORRY HEN AH FORGOT MASEL