Canadian psychiatrist on puberty blockers: "we were wrong"

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"Dr. Susan Bradley, a Canadian psychiatrist and pioneer in child gender dysphoria treatment, came out against the popular model of affirming children’s transgender identities and putting them on puberty blockers."
"We were wrong,” she said. “They’re not as reversible as we always thought, and they have longer term effects on kids’ growth and development, including making them sterile and quite a number of things affecting their bone growth.

dailycaller.com/2023/03/11/pioneer-in-child-gender-dysphoria-treatment-says-trans-medical-industry-is-harming-kids/

I'm losing track, so that's professionals from Canada, Finland, Sweden and Norway now, saying that this treatment protocol isn't reversible and might have been a bad idea after all. And the U.K. is that right?

And these drugs are still being given to kids?

Just the thinking that Tories will use to privatise the NHS like the US health care business, if we are not careful.

I do think that Biden seems to be completely under the control of his assistant health secretary Admiral Rachel Levine, who having fathered children before embracing womanhood has no qualms about rendering 'trans children' infertile.

Makes me sick. All of it.

And this talk of California being a 'sanctuary state' for transgender children seeking affirmative care. As if the world is some form of Gilead for all of these oppressed children born in the wrong bodies.

It's so dystopian.

When you have multi system and complex health issues you realise that these people are linguistics with excellent memory recall skills and low on the critical thinking skills, mix that with a gigantic ego that victim blames rather than accept they are inept - you have very dangerous people who should have worked instead in pathology.

Yes a thousand times to this!! I know it far too well. If only people knew what is really happening in the NHS. They'd be surprised.

I, unfortunately, due to very bitter experience am not. They follow guidelines without critique or analysis many of these people. It is eye-opening once you experience it. It's partly why healthcare for women is so shit.

"We were wrong,” she said. “They’re not as reversible as we always thought, and they have longer term effects on kids’ growth and development, including making them sterile and quite a number of things affecting their bone growth."

Making children sterile - or rather preventing them from developing reproductive capacity - is literally the POINT of puberty blockers. They block the pubertal development that brings fertility.

This isn't a side effect that doctors have just woken up to. It's the function of the drugs. If you halt sexual development, you don't develop sexually.

The only truthful explanation here must be that 'we knew all this but we didn't think it mattered'.

Levine has a huge influence on Biden and together with his doddering health issues and bumbling oratory I think that De Santis may well walk in.
Biden will be remembered for his unquestioning support for the experiments on children and little else.

In Canada? I’d think that’s positive but won’t a mob just decide she’s the new worlds most evil and have a public lynching? Followed by Trudeau declaring a new holiday to celebrate lynching the witch. I wish I were totally joking.

This may surprise you, I am chronically ill and I wouldn't be sad.

I got no healthcare anyway, so it makes no difference to me.

Biden sniffs children's hair.

Why I wouldn't cry of the NHS is closed down.

The staff who held the mean girls lunch have only themselves to blame.

Sorry you are ill. But the majoritu of us rely on the NHS and it works well for most - not my DH currently (untreated glaucoma because of covid) but far, far better than US care for most people.

The third biggest cause of death in the USA is the medical profession.

We can have something different from the ideologies in the NHS, ditch the Freud and Queer ideology nonsense, don't have to have the USA system either.

You basically said that I and others are acceptable collateral damage and a lesser human than your husband, how does that make you any different to TRA or NHS staff I came across?

Susan Bradley has been talking about this for a while.
She was interviewed on Gender a Wider Lens podcast in March 2022:
Gender: A Wider Lens Podcast open.spotify.com/episode/1cPHkVhjdeIbZqhPjoS0AG

There's also a medium article aiming to debunk her stance re the prevalence of ASD in children presenting at gender clinics and the effects of puberty blockers from much earlier (about 2017)- interestingly- citing the now more widely challenged research of the Dutch protocol clinicians. It's good to the read that knowing what we know now.

If I can't add that here, I'll add below.

medium.com/@florence.ashley/trans-activists-and-autism-a-response-to-susan-bradley-ccb440c122db

(Have a look at who endorsed this medium article)

So it sounds likely that Susan Bradley is another who has been shouting into the void for many years, and only now been able to have her voice heard in a more mainstream article.

A woman with critical thinking skills.

The parrots will soon enough be chanting her as if they never once chanted TWAW and will go to sleep at night with no issues and their pension intact believing themselves to be lovely people, that the troubles in the world arcaused d by others, blinkered because there are no consequences for the sacred MC professionals caste.

I wonder if many of the psychiatric people jumping on board with this didn't clue in with the sterilization element.

They should have, but I think what a lot of posters up-thread have said is true - plenty of people aren't actually that smart in terms of getting to hifger order thinking, asking the right questions. And people who go into that field may sometimes do so because they don't want to spend so much time thinking about the body.

I can easily imagine endocrinologists just assuming that it was obvious and the doctors suggesting it must think it was a balanced decision.

I don't buy it when people with extensive medical training come out and say things like this. As a pp said we've known for bloody ages about the awful side effects. That's why the decision to start blockers for precious puberty is a difficult one, its a delicate balance of risk vs benefit. They always knew the risks so why the sudden change of heart and declaration that the risk is now unacceptable? Maybe this woman has just genuinely changed her mind, but more broadly it does make me a little suspicious that the tides are very slowly starting to turn and some of the more perceprive people are beginning to jump ship so as not to risk being labelled as the bad guys in the end.

Demicolon, I can well believe that of the psychologists. Isn't Polly Charmichael at the Tavistock GIDS a clinical psychologist rather than a medical doctor? Which is an astonishing choice of a boss for a clinic which offers only a medical pathway.

But psychiatrists are trained doctors who've been general juniors and then specialised in psychiatry. Their training and practice puts heavy emphasis on drug-based treatments. Thinking about side effects, balancing mental and physical costs and benefits - that's a huge part of their job.

Totally agree that the outcomes must be obvious to the endocrinologists. Letting the responsibility ball drop between these two groups of professionals seems to be a key way this has carried on so long. Psychiatry/psychology says 'we just know these kids need more intervention so we refer them, we don't give the drugs' and endocrinology says 'we were told these kids should be on this pathway, we just administer it'.

And neither takes responsibility for what the pathway does and whether it actually helps the kids.

I would have thought the same things about the psychaitrists too, but what I would say is that it does not in fact seem to be the case.

But what that makes me think of is the guy who was my father's psychaitrist for many years, he was pretty respected and ran a prison clinic as well. As far as I am concerned, this guy was just a kind of mad doctor, mixing drugs and seeing what would happen. He thought he understood what he was doing but I became sure over the years that he really didn't. He's read something or whatever and think he knew how it worked, when really most of those drugs they have no idea what was going on with them. And I've come to believe that is common in that area of medicine.

I tend to put the most blame here on the psychologists - they actually had no basis for their claims the pathway would even help.

Yeah, actually, given history of psychiatry and what I know about it nowadays, I have no idea why I was being optimistic about it.

Except I suppose I mean that the psychiatrists involved really can't slide out of their responsibility for understanding the effects of the drugs children end up taking as a result of their referrals.

Wow Canada? This is amazing news (though is also awful and shouldn't have ever happened)

I have no idea why these people are being taken seriously.

It all needs to be though through again what is science, what has ever worked and what is ideology in this discipline.

It doesn't sound like value for money, they don't seem to have achieved a mentally well nation have they?

This seems to be relevant to the thread. I really hope that she sues them into oblivion:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11873443/California-teen-sues-doctors-breast-removal-surgery-13-Kaiser-Permanentes-2nd-lawsuit.html

'Mutilating children for profit.' California teen sues doctors over breast-removal surgery at age 13 in Kaiser Permanente's SECOND blockbuster trans lawsuit

She was 13 years old and they gave her a double mastectomy; people on MN were arguing that it doesn't / didn't happen, despite links to a surgeon bragging about performing mastectomies on underage girls.