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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joan Collins on IWD - "We must beware that we are not being kicked back into inequality"

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fromorbit · 10/03/2023 08:24

Article in the Independent:

"I’ve been a feminist ever since I was old enough to be leered and sneered at"
www.independent.co.uk/voices/international-womens-day-joan-collins-b2295729.html

Key section:

"And it’s also somewhat disturbing that, even in our progressive western countries, our hard-won freedoms could be subtly eroded.
It worries me that we might be inadvertently subjugated with the censure of female-only spaces or words like “mother” and “breastfeeding” (and told we must use terms like “female parent” and “chestfeeding” instead.) We must beware that we are not being kicked back into inequality by politically correct stealth.
And with the awareness that International Women’s Day puts into acceptable feminism, I truly hope that this will never happen."

Follows up on her discussion on Piers Morgan last year where she was way less direct. Like many others it has taken time to get up steam to speak out plainly:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557404-they-silenced-joan-collins

For every one celebrity speaking up there are many others thinking the same, but too scared to step up. We all know how difficult it is to do the right thing. There are gradual steps and you can be mobbed along the way and pushed back. If it has taken Joan Collins and Alice Walker this long there is no shame in the difficulty others take in coming forward.

Bit by bit though women are speaking out, a movement is getting stronger, and there is nothing the genderists can do to stop it because the more insane they act the more people get enraged. This doesn't mean our side will win, but they will have a fight on their hands.

OP posts:
ZeldaFighter · 10/03/2023 09:04

She's a wonderful woman 😀 she made being a bitch (ie strong, clever, opinionated) so cool 😀

Not cool to see the sexism and misogyny in the comments 😞

Lamelie · 10/03/2023 09:06

Good on you Joan! 💪

bellinisurge · 10/03/2023 09:09

Wow! Good for Joan Collins

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 10/03/2023 09:35

It's always so lovely to be able to really admire someone AND say s/he was on Star Trek you know! Hooray for Joan.

SparkyBlue · 10/03/2023 09:55

Good on her

Beamur · 10/03/2023 09:57

Good for her.
Always a smart and articulate woman.

Datun · 10/03/2023 10:00

Good for her.

And we will will. Because we're right.

LakeTiticaca · 10/03/2023 10:23

Three cheers for Dame Joan!!
I think, like JKR, she is just too big to be cancelled x

ErrolTheDragon · 10/03/2023 10:29

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 10/03/2023 09:35

It's always so lovely to be able to really admire someone AND say s/he was on Star Trek you know! Hooray for Joan.

In the best episode of the original series too.

TrouserTownie · 10/03/2023 10:30

A huge LGBT icon and yet not afraid to say what she thinks and be pro women.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 10/03/2023 11:11

ErrolTheDragon · 10/03/2023 10:29

In the best episode of the original series too.

An episode that reflected on how pleasing Nazi-ism could have seemed in its early years to a kind and benevolent person. TOS did some good stuff.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/03/2023 12:26

An episode that reflected on how pleasing Nazi-ism could have seemed in its early years to a kind and benevolent person. TOS did some good stuff.

Maybe I've misremembered the plot, but I thought it was that she started a pacifist movement which delayed US entry into WWII so the Germans developed the atomic bomb first. Not that she thought the Nazis were a good idea.Confused

Pacifism - the ultimate #bekind, to be glib - only works if everyone espouses it, unfortunately.

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/03/2023 12:36

"We must beware that we are not being kicked back into inequality by politically correct stealth."
Succinctly put, Joan.Very clear-eyed of her.

Motnight · 10/03/2023 13:00

Really impressed by this, Joan Collins has just been added to my list of iconic women!

Musomama1 · 10/03/2023 14:27

Thank you Joan Collins.

A grand dame who has learnt a thing or two.

Great news.

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