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Oat milk is milk

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GCBear · 09/03/2023 15:03

Milk has lost all meaning
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2023/03/plant-based-soy-oat-milk-fda-definition/673306/

"Differentiating plant-based milk and milk requires defining what milk actually is, but doing so is at odds with the acknowledgment that plant-based milk is milk."

(I think I might be spending too much time lurking on this board. 😂)

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SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 19:51

ODFOx · Today 19:21

I thought acorns were poisonous to humans ?

Acorns aren't oats.... Acorns will cause stomach pains in some people, but they can be processed into an edible form, by boiling them into mush. The Nazis used them to make fake coffee - ersatz coffee.

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 19:52

MollochTheCorrupter · Today 19:43

Adult humans don't need calf milk.

Calves don't (or shouldn't) produce milk, it's adult cows, which do that.

Tekkentime · 09/03/2023 19:52

TheMarzipanDildo · 09/03/2023 19:50

What’s the alternative to seed oils then? I’m terrified now

Butter, coconut oil, lard, tallow.
Good olive oil is fine.

MollochTheCorrupter · 09/03/2023 19:54

By calf milk I meant milk for calves.
Although it could be noted that most dairy cows are killed by five years, their relative child/tennagehood compared to their natural lifespan.

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 20:02

MollochTheCorrupter · Today 19:54

By calf milk I meant milk for calves.

Yeah, I was just joshin' !

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GCBear · 09/03/2023 20:32

Looking back at my OP, I see it isn't clear that "Milk has lost all meaning" is the headline of the Atlantic article, not necessarily my opinion about the word "milk", specifically. Also, I wasn't trying to start discussion about milk, just sharing a link that raises some interesting questions about the extent to which, and the contexts in which, words need clear definitions, and the tensions that can arise when meanings change or are changed. I certainly wasn't joking about the exploitation of animals (if that was aimed at me).

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tillyandmilly · 09/03/2023 20:35

milk is full of pumped hormones - also terrible for eczema sufferers and it is very cruel - keeping cows constantly lactating

MollochTheCorrupter · 09/03/2023 20:48

Not really aimed at anyone op, just a fair few comments being a bit flippant.

Milk from cows also has a hormone in it Casomorphins, I believe, which is addictive and keeps a baby cow close to it's mother for survival purposes. I believe it is like a love hormone. Humans also produce a similar hormone in breast milk but at nowhere near the quantities cow's do (which makes sense really, as cows are huge and their ancestors would be more at risk from predators than ours.

It's basically like a drug which explains why it's really, really hard to give up milk and cheese because it's an actual addiction.

No point really, just blew my mind when I found this out as it made so much sense to me as I was a.proper cheese addict.

Brefugee · 09/03/2023 20:50

have not RTFT. In Germany unless it comes from an animal that lactates it's not allowed to be called milk. So we have Oat-Drink.
Which is fine.

Redebs · 09/03/2023 20:54

Ponderingwindow · 09/03/2023 17:00

Oat milk is not milk

it needs to be clearly labeled and differentiated because mixing up dairy milk and the assorted things people try to pass for milk these days can have deadly consequences.

It's a plant product in cowface!

Boiledbeetle · 09/03/2023 21:26

nilsmousehammer · 09/03/2023 15:09

Oh God. Between this and having the new and exciting lesbian umbrella (and flag) graphic inflicted on me to prove that homosexual women are only one tiny, tiny facet of lesbianism, and most of it is trans related and very definitely nothing to do with being female, I want somewhere to live behind high walls with guards on the gate.

They can all fuck off with this never ending attention seeking exhausting bloody twattery with words and leave me in peace.

I've been busy the last few days screenshotting maps so I'm catching up...

You what now!?!

Boiledbeetle · 09/03/2023 21:28
Hair Wind GIF

And the cows say

"Oat milk is not milk and to say so is udderly ridiculous....moooooooo"

TheBigWangTheory · 09/03/2023 21:33

MollochTheCorrupter · 09/03/2023 16:00

The dairy industry is literal exploration of female animals' bodies. They repeatedly impregnate them, separate them from their babies and kill them when their bodies can't cope with more pregnancies and stop producing unnatural amounts of milk.

The natural feminist stance would be to acknowledge that cows are exploited due to their sex and what their bodies provide. It's misogyny personified and so therefore not a very feminist stance to support it.

I'm not saying you have to be vegan btw, just that 'jokes' about how delicious milk is and how plant milks shouldn't be named thus are not feminist in nature so belong on aibu rather than fwr.

It's not misogyny, which refers to WOMEN, ie adult human females. Cows are not human, and are not women. Feminism refers to women, not females of all species.

There is nothing anti feminist about drinking milk.

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 09/03/2023 21:35

PamperedEnLaPampa · 09/03/2023 15:06

Oak milk is lovely,and the dairy industry is cruel.

You are deluded. Oat 'milk' tastes like sick.

No milk is doing me just fine.

MissingMoominMamma · 09/03/2023 21:42

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 09/03/2023 21:35

You are deluded. Oat 'milk' tastes like sick.

No milk is doing me just fine.

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It doesn’t to me. I have it in coffee and on muesli- it’s nice!

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 09/03/2023 21:42

DigitalTranny · 09/03/2023 19:27

If any of you advocate not to drink milk, then I suppose you don’t consume cheese, yoghurt, butter and other dairy products either.

I'm glad to see the message is slowly getting through.

While you're here, may I please clarify that vegetarians don't eat any chicken. No, not even if it's chopped up really finely. No, not even in soup, either.

ODFOx · 09/03/2023 21:46

SinnerBoy · 09/03/2023 19:51

ODFOx · Today 19:21

I thought acorns were poisonous to humans ?

Acorns aren't oats.... Acorns will cause stomach pains in some people, but they can be processed into an edible form, by boiling them into mush. The Nazis used them to make fake coffee - ersatz coffee.

It said oak milk, not oat.
I'll get my coat.

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 09/03/2023 21:56

Whilst we're on the topic, elmlea isn't cream either.

DigitalTranny · 09/03/2023 22:00

Tekkentime · 09/03/2023 19:52

Butter, coconut oil, lard, tallow.
Good olive oil is fine.

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These are butter substitutes, not milk substitutes.

DemiColon · 09/03/2023 22:04

Milk has been used historically for certain milk-like things, with everyone understanding that actually they were in no way milk.

I wonder if society now is too stupidly literal for that level of nuance.

Boiledbeetle · 09/03/2023 22:05

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 09/03/2023 21:42

I'm glad to see the message is slowly getting through.

While you're here, may I please clarify that vegetarians don't eat any chicken. No, not even if it's chopped up really finely. No, not even in soup, either.

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What! Not even if I pretend the chicken identifies as Quorn?

Boiledbeetle · 09/03/2023 22:06

DemiColon · 09/03/2023 22:04

Milk has been used historically for certain milk-like things, with everyone understanding that actually they were in no way milk.

I wonder if society now is too stupidly literal for that level of nuance.

Yes.

Tekkentime · 09/03/2023 22:07

DigitalTranny · 09/03/2023 22:00

These are butter substitutes, not milk substitutes.

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The poster asked what are the alternatives to seed oils.

I thought it'd be quite obvious that the alternative to milk substitutes is...milk 🤔

DemiColon · 09/03/2023 22:08

MollochTheCorrupter · 09/03/2023 19:54

By calf milk I meant milk for calves.
Although it could be noted that most dairy cows are killed by five years, their relative child/tennagehood compared to their natural lifespan.

Natural lifespan? In the wild?

Not that there are wild cows, but it is worth remembering that if "nature" actually means a natural environment, not many prey animals make it to their maximum lifespan.

DemiColon · 09/03/2023 22:10

Boiledbeetle · 09/03/2023 22:06

Yes.

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I'm afraid I tend to agree.

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