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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Complaining about 'assigned female at birth'

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howmanybicycles · 08/03/2023 19:17

My son (year 9) attended a presentation at school today offered by an external organisation. The woman used the term 'assigned female at birth' which I consider to be a slur. I'm tempted to complain but wanted to get my facts behind me first. Has this, in our current anti-female dystopia, become an 'accepted term'? Is there anything I can quote which shows the damage this sort of obfuscating language does?

She also told the kids that what you were 'assigned' was what the 'doctor' said when you were born which is quite a micro-aggression towards women, I thought, given that the baby's sex is actually recognised by the (usually female) midwife and not the (often male) doctors!

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Myalternate · 08/03/2023 19:21

What would the outcome be if the midwife and the Doctor disagreed on the sex?
or, does there need to be a third independent witness that has a casting vote?

QueenHippolyta · 08/03/2023 19:23

I used 'observed in utero' when a transman ,aka a girl ,tried that language with me.
She had no reply...

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 08/03/2023 19:24

Myalternate · 08/03/2023 19:21

What would the outcome be if the midwife and the Doctor disagreed on the sex?
or, does there need to be a third independent witness that has a casting vote?

Maybe the parents could get the deciding vote.
It could potentially solve 'gender disappointment' issues too. You could just choose whichever it was that you wanted.

Retractable · 08/03/2023 19:24

Sex is observed at birth.

Delphinium20 · 08/03/2023 19:25

I ended up giving birth at home and DH and I went a few months later to go get a birth certificate on our own. No doctor available to assign anything.

Luckily my husband and I knew our DD's sex.

NurseCranesRolodex · 08/03/2023 19:26

Shocked and dissapointed to hear schools are allowing this. Was the presenter a Doctor?

Maybe invite some farmers in to discuss how biological sex is OBSERVED and how it affects outcomes.

TalliskerMcSpeculate · 08/03/2023 19:26

No it hasn't become an accepted term despite the gender ideologists efforts. Women are pushing back. Please don't let your children be taught something so obviously wrong. Sex is fixed at the moment of conception and remains the same for ever. No assigning anything. It's nonsense.

TalliskerMcSpeculate · 08/03/2023 19:26

I'm so cross I haven't punctuated properly. Sorry!

antshouse · 08/03/2023 19:29

Ridiculous expression and complete rubbish as you say. The childs sex can often be determined by prenatal ultrasound or amniocentesis, or the parents or midwife can just look when the babies are born as they have done for centuries.
No need for a sorting-hat to assign it a boy or girl.

Zippidydoda · 08/03/2023 19:29

Retractable · 08/03/2023 19:24

Sex is observed at birth.

This.
Assigned is such bullshit. It’s not assigned at birth. No one says “so I’ll think this one will be a male”.

The only context that “assigned at birth” makes sense is in reference to intersex people or people where sex was uncertain at Birth.

howmanybicycles · 08/03/2023 19:31

I know it's offensive piffle and so does my son, thank goodness. I don't want the school to think they are doing something progressive when they bring in people who mindlessly spout stereotypes and throw women under the bus in the process and I want help with formulating a complaint.

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QueenHippolyta · 08/03/2023 19:33

Delphinium20 · 08/03/2023 19:25

I ended up giving birth at home and DH and I went a few months later to go get a birth certificate on our own. No doctor available to assign anything.

Luckily my husband and I knew our DD's sex.

But are you or your husband biologists?

Palmfrond · 08/03/2023 19:34

Surely one’s sex is determined at the moment of conception, and merely observed & recorded at birth?

tourdefrance · 08/03/2023 19:40

Dear headteacher
My son attended X event today as part of Y. In this session the presenter (name if you have it) used the term ‘sex assigned at birth’. I find it extremely worrying that X school supports this inaccurate language. Sex is observed at birth and is fixed at conception.
Please advise what steps the school will take to ensure this does not happen again.
Best regards,
Ms B Cycle

howmanybicycles · 08/03/2023 19:42

A good start @tourdefrance I think I want to be a bit clearer about why this is offensive and regressive and something the school should be protecting them from, not selling is as 'equalities' when it's the opposite.

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puffyisgood · 08/03/2023 19:44

the expression was appropriated from the discourse around people with really heavy duty DSD's, ones so strong that it's possible to make a mistake at birth, eg it's very accurate and indeed insightful to say that Caster Semenya was (incorrectly) assigned female at birth

DisforDarkChocolate · 08/03/2023 19:45

I left some poor young lass speechless when I said this term was ridiculous and the offensive because it implies someone midwife, doctor, parent) had the option to pick which one I was. They don't even do this to babies with ambiguous genitals anymore.

Reddahlias · 08/03/2023 19:50

Sex is fixed at the moment of conception and remains the same for ever. No assigning anything. It's nonsense.

This!

Sex is determined at the time of conception and can be observed during scans.

DOBARDAN · 08/03/2023 19:51

‘Sex assigned/allocated at birth’ … as if babies are born without a sex and the doctor or midwife assigns them a sex at random (maybe there’s a selection of ‘stick on’ genitals that are kept in a box, for purpose, if you can image new born babies are like one of those Mr Potato Head toys). At a later date you can swap your assigned/allocated genitals for something else. Simples.

Brightshinylight · 08/03/2023 19:56

assigned female at birth

hmm woman is off her head. no one is assigned anything at birth. I hope one day she figures out female refers to the sex observed at birth not gender. At 10 mins old a baby is hardly likely to have been corrupted by society’s expectations of gender.

JeannieDark · 08/03/2023 20:00

Surely if sex was actually assigned at birth rather than observed at birth/in utero then all the people who feel that they have been assigned the wrong sex could start suing the health care professionals for the 'mistake' made.

doadeer · 08/03/2023 20:04

My son's sex was observed by his DNA after the CVS procedure I had done to check for heart defects. It wasn't assigned at birth. I hate that expression!

Imagine if we applied this to ethnicity... Someone standing with a clipboard... This is a black baby, this is a pink baby.... Ridiculous.

DameMaud · 08/03/2023 20:06

I don't know if this page from Transgender Trend might be helpful to you bicycles?:

www.transgendertrend.com/teaching-gender-ideology-schools/

Delphinium20 · 08/03/2023 20:21

QueenHippolyta · 08/03/2023 19:33

But are you or your husband biologists?

No. But we know what a penis is😆

ba dum dum

KingsArmy · 08/03/2023 20:23

Similar but different...I started reading Unwell Women by Elinor Cleghorn, only got as far as the preface and she says the same thing. Can't read it anymore, what a waste of a book token!