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Britain is one of the most liberal countries in the world

38 replies

KatMcBundleFace · 07/03/2023 16:58

According to new research, only a handful of countries are more liberal than the UK.

So when the TQ flee these Terf Islands, hoping for asylum and sanctuary from the imaginary "literal genocide". Where are they going to go? Because actually, people here are very tolerant and want a country where people are free to live their lives in peace, but they also are not going to pretend biological reality isn't real.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c629fa5c-bcd5-11ed-b039-425ba6c60d6d?shareToken=6a3cdaf937b0c3ecea4d991b1151ed2f

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Moonicorn · 07/03/2023 17:07

YANBU. However on this website anything other than complete unquestioning agreement with hard left policy is ‘extremely right wing’ 🤷🏼‍♀️

Survey doesn’t surprise me at all

twitterexile · 07/03/2023 17:10

Of course it is. Despite what the Left say...

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 07/03/2023 17:13

It's a very liberal country, and thank fuck for that!

Grammarnut · 07/03/2023 17:32

Most tolerant and liberal country. But if you listened to BLM or the left you'd think it was a bastion of racism and intolerance. Some of those detractors should look around the world before they brand the UK as intolerant, when it is not.

ResisterRex · 07/03/2023 18:07

File under inconvenient facts

Treehappy · 07/03/2023 18:09

Hang on, I thought we were a rainy, fascist island?!

nilsmousehammer · 07/03/2023 18:10

It's the being tolerant and liberal to women too that is the problem. That's the bit that a certain political lobby would like to end. It does not want at all to live in a tolerant or liberal country, it just wishes to control of it.

Retractable · 07/03/2023 18:12

Ranked higher than Canada. Maybe those insisting they’re off to claim asylum in Canada from the hideous, oppressive UK could take note. 🤣

Dignorantonio · 07/03/2023 18:19

Interesting, though bit shocked that only two thirds polled thought homosexuality was 'justifiable', I'd have thought it would be higher than that.

WhereYouLeftIt · 07/03/2023 18:21

"Where are they going to go?"
Anywhere. Anywhere but here, with their performative whinging. Seriously, I would quite like those making those sort of claims to just fuck off. Of course they won't. It's all a bit Phil Collins vowing to emigrate in Labour get into power. 'Look at me, look at me, look at meeeeeeeee!'

twitterexile · 07/03/2023 18:29

Seriously, I would quite like those making those sort of claims to just fuck off

Seconded.

nepeta · 07/03/2023 19:28

The people who wanted to make scientific language 'inclusive' by erasing words such as 'mother' and 'woman' and so on also stated this:
Much of Western science is rooted in colonialism, white supremacy, and patriarchy, and these power structures continue to permeate our scientific culture

And no doubt that is true, but then the important question is to ask what non-Western science is rooted in. Certainly patriarchy, and more so, probably, than Western science. And probably some kind of race-based supremacy, privileging the race of those who wrote it.

Not critically examining alternatives is so common among the far left that you stop noticing it.

Critically examining all alternatives is not excusing the problems having to do with ideologies common in the West, but being realistic about the fact that other parts of the world also have problems, and when it comes to women's status those problems are more severe than in the West.

Elizaazile · 07/03/2023 20:32

Did they ask about transgenderism? That would be interesting to see.

TheMatriarchy · 07/03/2023 20:34

I read Iran is very accepting of transgenderism.

nepeta · 07/03/2023 20:46

TheMatriarchy · 07/03/2023 20:34

I read Iran is very accepting of transgenderism.

So is Pakistan. Pakistan has self-id! Yet neither place is good for women's rights or for gays and Lesbians.

EsmaCannonball · 07/03/2023 21:19

One suspects a lot of them would fit right in in Iran. They could get to use bullets and poison gas to stop actual women speaking and organising. Transactivist paradise.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/03/2023 21:49

But not so 'liberal' on prostitution, interestingly enough...good!

There was less acceptance of other issues, including prostitution which only 17 per cent of people in the UK said was justifiable. Australia had the highest level of support, with 27 per cent saying prostitution was justifiable.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/03/2023 21:52

Everyone is always threatening to go everywhere. They never actually do. My favourite was Republicans threatening to go to Canada if Obama got in.

A) Canada is much further left.
B) Do you really thing that's a claim for asylum?

The fact is most people whine and moan but stay exactly where they are.

NatashaDancing · 07/03/2023 22:30

I'm inordinately pleased to see that England ranks as more liberal than Scotland.

NatashaDancing · 07/03/2023 22:34

Oh and Wales is ahead of Scotland too.

There was less acceptance of other issues, including prostitution which only 17 per cent of people in the UK said was justifiable. Australia had the highest level of support, with 27 per cent saying prostitution was justifiable.

I don't need to tell anyone on here that being "less accepting" of prostitution has nothing to do with holding illiberal views.

NatashaDancing · 07/03/2023 22:36

ErrolTheDragon · 07/03/2023 21:49

But not so 'liberal' on prostitution, interestingly enough...good!

There was less acceptance of other issues, including prostitution which only 17 per cent of people in the UK said was justifiable. Australia had the highest level of support, with 27 per cent saying prostitution was justifiable.

Sorry didn't see your post- just said the same.

ArabellaScott · 07/03/2023 22:42

Hooray!

JoonT · 07/03/2023 22:46

Treehappy · 07/03/2023 18:09

Hang on, I thought we were a rainy, fascist island?!

Britain is dominated by sneering, Guardian-reading Oxbridge liberals who hate their own country. Stewart Lee and Will Self are good examples. These people totally dominate the arts, the universities, the publishing industry, the BBC, the Booker prize...everything. We then internalize their self-loathing. You see it in the young. Most young people seem to take no pride in this country at all. In fact, they seem to identify more with America.

The British, and especially the English, must be the only people on Earth who are actually ashamed of their great literary tradition. Very few places can match this island. Harold Bloom, the American literary critic, compiled a list of the world's greatest books. He included more from Britain that anywhere else. This is the island that produced Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake, Samuel Johnson, Wordsworth, Keats, Shelley, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Dickens, the Brontes, Pater, Ruskin, H. G. Wells, Tolkien, Virginia Woolf, George Orwell...not to mention Darwin, Newton, Hume, Adam Smith, John Locke. Yet it means nothing to the young.

(Of course, the left are now doing what they can to destroy that as well. Last year, I got an email from my old university informing me that they're "de-colonising" the library.)

Sillykillbill · 07/03/2023 23:49

@JoonT didn’t most of the cabinet go to Eton/public school/ Oxbridge and I’m sure they are doing a sterling job of destroying everything. Hardly the work of Will Self and Stewart Lee. And I’m pretty sure those very same cabinet members would sneer at anything remotely w/c in private.
Crikey you sound like a walking advert for UKIP.

Somebodiesmother · 08/03/2023 01:46

JoonT · 07/03/2023 22:46

Britain is dominated by sneering, Guardian-reading Oxbridge liberals who hate their own country. Stewart Lee and Will Self are good examples. These people totally dominate the arts, the universities, the publishing industry, the BBC, the Booker prize...everything. We then internalize their self-loathing. You see it in the young. Most young people seem to take no pride in this country at all. In fact, they seem to identify more with America.

The British, and especially the English, must be the only people on Earth who are actually ashamed of their great literary tradition. Very few places can match this island. Harold Bloom, the American literary critic, compiled a list of the world's greatest books. He included more from Britain that anywhere else. This is the island that produced Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake, Samuel Johnson, Wordsworth, Keats, Shelley, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Dickens, the Brontes, Pater, Ruskin, H. G. Wells, Tolkien, Virginia Woolf, George Orwell...not to mention Darwin, Newton, Hume, Adam Smith, John Locke. Yet it means nothing to the young.

(Of course, the left are now doing what they can to destroy that as well. Last year, I got an email from my old university informing me that they're "de-colonising" the library.)

Harold Bloom also wrote that women couldn't be real writers, they could only be muses for male writers.