Britain is one of the most liberal countries in the world

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According to new research, only a handful of countries are more liberal than the UK.

So when the TQ flee these Terf Islands, hoping for asylum and sanctuary from the imaginary "literal genocide". Where are they going to go? Because actually, people here are very tolerant and want a country where people are free to live their lives in peace, but they also are not going to pretend biological reality isn't real.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c629fa5c-bcd5-11ed-b039-425ba6c60d6d?shareToken=6a3cdaf937b0c3ecea4d991b1151ed2f

The assumption in that research that attitudes to prostitution should become more positive is definitely dodgy.

Britain is run by quite an illiberal government. It is nonsense to say Britain is 'dominated' by liberals. The arts have always attracted liberals, this used to be welcomed but now people seem to fear anyone with a different opinion.

Social attitudes on things like same sex marriage are increasingly liberal, but in many other ways Britain is not as liberal as it was just ten years ago - the anti-protest legislation and the latest anti-migrant proposal for example.

This idea that the country is being 'dominated' by a group other than the group actually in charge is basically conspiracy theory - it is the same thing Trump complained about.

Great literature means as much to 'the young' as it does to... 'the old'? This constant attacking of 'the young' is awful. Once members of the group we could perhaps categorise as 'the old' start to dismiss the whole group 'the young' it is hard to take those individuals seriously.

Agree they never go. Phil Collins always said he would leave when Labour got in, but I think he broke his word? Shame.

I think this highlights the point I've been making for some time over the misuse of the word liberal. Liberal has come to mean having a particular set of fixed approved values and divergence from this is regarded as unacceptable. That's actually the very definition of intolerance, authoritarianism and illiberal thought.

Being liberal means being tolerant of a variety of different positions, allowing debate on issues and balancing the needs of various groups on the basis of a settled understood compromise which prioritises safety first.

And being one of the most liberal countries in the world is precisely why we have become terf island because we cherish those values and people have risked a huge amount to defend them.

Agree completely with RedToothBrush. The definition of liberal has changed beyond recognition.

Of course they never go.

Tbh, threatening to leave to control other people is a pretty standard tool of manipulative people in relationships. In fact, it’s outright abusive as a tactic.

The only way you can reasonably respond to ‘if you do/don’t do X, I will leave you [seek asylum in Canada]’ is to say ‘ok. Enjoy Canada.’ They want you to capitulate, repent and then beg them to stay.

Indulging them in any way just encourages more horrible, manipulative behaviour.

Agree 'liberal' and also 'illiberal' are often misused.

I consider myself a liberal in that I am tolerant of views I strongly disagree with.

It has indeed.

As has ‘conservative’.

And ‘progressive’.

They are used in weird ways. Mostly to demonise or lionise, but with little concern about whether the lionised activity is actually ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’.

I listened to the reporting on this.

We are one of the very few countries where a majority want the death penalty re introduced.

I don't think any sane person should be praising the UK because we like no strings sex and 2/3rd's think divorce is ok....

I'd always thought the UK was one of the most liberal places. And like others I think this is why we are Terf Island. We're not keen on transing the gay out of our gay youth.

We've grown up with gender bending popstars and movements - we know men and women come in many different shapes and sizes and are allowed to be weird and wonderful. We know that so called gender non conforming does not make you a different sex.

We made Eddie Izzard a national treasure and Rocky Horror? That was British. We do great eccentrics like Grayson Perry and generally let them get on with it. In general, we are more open minded than most I guess, but are grounded in reality

I thought 'liberal' now means 'anyone who doesn't absolutely have the same views ans opinion as me should be 'cancelled' and driven out of their employment. If this can be done while howling for them to be burnt to death or beheaded even better'.

You know, taking direction from middle ages and witch hunts?

What is very interesting is the break down on political beliefs, its the Labour voters who are more ok with gay rights, divorce & sex and the Con voters who are not and want the death penalty.

But in a survey of just 1000 people out of 68m, i 'd take it all with a pinch or a bucket of salt.