Indecent exposure and Jordan Gray on Radio 4

[BaronMunchausen]

The Today presenter (Justin Webb?) on Radio 4 has just aired the connection between indecent exposure and gender ideology. While interviewing a Labour MP about the cultural acceptance of indecent exposure, he said that a lot of women were very offended when Jordan Gray stripped off on Channel 4, but Ofcom said it was ok and Channel 4 was “actually rather proud of it”. The MP kept to generalities, but it was good to hear.

Radio 4 will doubtless be inundated with complaints, but other listeners (at least those who remember Jordan Grey) will perhaps understand the implications of the demand that trans identifying males be given unfettered access to women's safe spaces.

I expect some complaints will be going into the BBC over Justin Webb's comment. It's going to be really interesting to see if they go anywhere.

It's a very valid point

A penis is a penis

A man is a man

It could encourage a very interesting debate in the BBC. Imagine if it resulted in them feeling obliged to say, in the present climate, that some forms of indecent exposure should be applauded.

I agree with Julie Bindel on this, @LK1972 because it's so easy to be mocked for 'modesty'. It shouldn't be but it is. It is seemingly 'old fashioned', so anyone objecting to cocks in public can be easily dismissed as belonging to a bygone era. The penis is for urination and sexual acts. So if a dick is on display, it's reasonable to assume one of those 2 functions is about to happen. Neither is socially acceptable in public in our society.

We tend to ignore the harm done by the penis - no doubt it upsets men to be confronted by that. The unwanted pregnancies with the serious, possibly fatal, consequences for women, disease, tissue damage. Angela Rayner recently idiotically implied it doesn't matter whether it's a penis or an object that's forced into a female body. Wrong, Angela. It does matter.

Getting people to understand that it's about safety and not modesty I think is a strategic & necessary move. People need to understand that it's not funny for a man to expose himself and that what motivates such men is very unpleasant indeed. And why women have (and should have) such a primal response to men exposing their genitals in public.

I'm all for reclaiming words such as prude and modesty myself. I'm done with making myself easily available to men in some spirit of equality. But I am actually rather too old now! I'll be encouraging my DGD to value herself very highly.

I love Justin, he's a stalwart defender of women and girls.
I just listened to the item and there was no mention of Grey being trans though, just "a comedian", so if you didn't know, you wouldn't know. Was it edited out?

One minute it's "why are you thinking of genitals" the next it is "those genitals were legally out"!
And "These genitals are not the same as the cis genitals."
There's definitely one group dictating who should see what and consent doesn't even come into the question.

I remember his fan boy reports from Washington. They were sometimes a bit jarring as his adopted country bombed and tortured its way around the globe in that period

Yes , he had a ringside seat at the rise of ID politics and was not impressed. I wonder if he has likewise fallen out of love with gun ownership, which he defended back then.

But , any port in a storm I suppose. He seems harder to dislodge than eg Jenni Murray?

The Independent has seen fit to mark International Women's Day with a bunch of bollox by Grey telling everyone what a woman is.

His definition of "woman" is that women are "infinitely more strong" than a man. And "a woman’s rights can never be taken away". Meanwhile, he keeps "a stiff upper lip, while my human rights are disputed by billionaires".

Thanks for replying, and sorry for slightly derailing this thread, but I remember being a teenager and being somewhat coerced into things I didn't really want to do with the same 'are you a prude then' bollocks. And that was a while back! So I can see JB's (and yours) point, but still think there's nothing really wrong with modesty.

Sure, it feels old-fashioned (probably since the 60's !), but the older I get the more I wonder if the pill and the sexual revolution have really done women a favour, so to speak, in many ways. Sorry if this is not very articulate, still trying to form coherent opinion on this.

But generally, never wish to see a stranger's cock in particular, even if not particularly threatened by the situation or on tv, why would anyone?

Given that marital rape was legal until 1991 I think the pill did do a lot for women. Also that it's entirely possible to be a so called 'prude' and enjoy consensual sex. But I totally agree that the idea that women can have it all frequently means they can have double the workload, less pay and are expected to have a career, and children, be judged by prospect employers but late 20s / 30s as a risk and then judged again for not having kids, and that households are now expected to run on two full time salaries.

That said, sunlight sunlight sunlight. This morning I feel joy and hope. There's a long path to go but I do feel the tide is turning. Slowly and the path is long.

God, all that crap to pretend that he’s a woman

lots of women aren’t particularly strong, they don’t have ‘the electromagnetic quantum power of Captain Marvel coursing through her being.’

but they’re still women. Because of the kind of body they were born with

what a twonk

My definition of 'prude' in current usage = having valid boundaries.