Feminist Left Australia are warning women not to attend Standing for Women events with KJK because the tour is funded by CPAC

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I suppose its a sort of backhanded compliment that so many women are putting so much effort into pointing out all the ways KJK is wrong personally & politically.

Just think how much they might have achieved if they had put that energy into doing something pro-active in line with their own politics.

So this is the latest:

" ... When a behaviour is repeated and the tendency appears to be increasing, it seems to be a choice and a strategy rather than a one-off mistake. We don’t think that KJK is a “bad” person, or that women who choose to follow her are “bad”. It is not a question of morality (or jealousy, or trashing), but a question of political strategy: what strategy should we choose, according to our political understanding of oppression and power, and the political outcomes we hope to achieve?

Australian and NZ feminists have spent years campaigning against a transgender ideology that wants to erase women. Feminists have lobbied governments, held meetings and conferences opposing self-ID legislation and fought for the right to women-only spaces.

Local actions have often been poorly supported with mere handfuls of women at street protests. So it is ironic that when a “celebrity” activist comes from overseas, so many women are interested in joining Let Women Speak events, even though these events are sponsored by the right and run by a speaker who has repeatedly expressed right-wing ideas.

KJK says that she will speak to anyone but that the right are the only ones to give her a platform. This is true, but uncritically relying on the right to express these views is a very dangerous strategy. It means sacrificing the struggle for the majority of women’s rights, as well as for all other oppressed groups. ... "

feministleft.wordpress.com/2023/03/06/are-you-thinking-of-going-to-kellie-jay-keens-events-in-australia-or-nz-read-this-first/

Have you got any further in finding out who Feminst Left Australia are OP?

And to repeat what I said up thread, that 'Feminism Left Australia' uses language that I have not seen used by the majority of Australians. It doesn't ring as an authentic Australian site at all.

It does however seem to echo the trope pushed from other countries though, including that fb group you mention, Empress.

@Helleofabore Australian media has plenty to be ashamed about. Do yourself a favour and have a listen to Paul Keating rip into journalists at today’s Press Club address. He was in fine form!

I shall go have a sticky beak.

I think these guys are so blinded by the idea that what they call the left is the only group interested in women's rights, or any other group's rights, that they can't see that actually, the center right has in many ways as good a track record on these issues.

Sometimes better, arguably.

Or that the left has done some pretty questionable things in terms of rights - look at the controversy with regards to whether citizenship in NZ actually gives you an absolute right to enter the country - a hugely significant question in terms of foundational rights as a citizen.

Why would any person who is not completely myopic believe that only interacting with the left will lead to a better society?

oh my! I am listening to the whole interview and haven't got to the journo roasting, but he is going for it! I can't say I agree with him on everything, or maybe even the majority, but I can imagine the ALP leaders thinking 'fuckin' hell Paul!' and Laura Tingle (not to be mixed up with Bingle) looked like she had no idea quite what to say...

re who are Feminist Left Australia? Well nobody seems to know, and have via facebook contacts (who were a bit wary about replying) nobody there seems to have heard of them

But someone said they thought the wording of the "article" was from an NUS leaflet.

But I think since then the most disturbing thing has been the fact that the Daily Mail (not necessarily pro KJK but at least reported her point of view) has published 2 articles by an Australian "journalist" that virtually echo this view point, as well as embelishing it with hints at over stretch police having to hold back angry mobs.

I wouldn't be surprised if even it is wasn't actually the facebook group actual gender critical left, it was someone inspired by their language. Today they have a post about how KJK has used the issue of medicalising transing to squeeze in anti abortion statements in a tv interview. www.facebook.com/groups/904109420071073/posts/1580488132433195 (*)

And whether it is them or not, the worry is that those who want to amplify messages seem more interested in using as fact what at best 10 women on a facebook group are saying, that the100s times more on FWR. (Or if Hope Not Hate use it as the basis to write a report saying KJK is a threat to LGBTQ communities).

I remember now I did say maybe I should get this thread taken down as it effectively gives publicity (mumsnet if indexed by google really quickly) but sort of forgot.

And now there are more posts will probably leave.

But for me it is all part of this notion that having the internet (and other media) supposedly helps make us all more informed, better able to get a wider perspective, but in practice seems that everyone narrows down. And worse supposed "news" papers repeat unverfied information from social media platforms as thought them being there means they are verified facts.

(*) One thing that is quite funny in that endlessly monitoring / trolling KJK, AGCL also monitor mumsnet FWR. So they got really angry about the thread on Caba Baba Rave and a further indication that we are all anti LGB - and then found it had been deleted. Not realising it was allowed back up. www.facebook.com/groups/904109420071073/posts/1576515756163766

Off topic: Why doesn't mumsnet allow asterisks?

I typed an asterisk inside opening and closing brackets and the asterisk vanished, and the two brackets together turned the text to italics.

mumsnet's world of rules and conventions are very odd!! :)

• asterisk
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• Bullet
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• Mine.

Ooh fancy!

AGCL are pro CabaBabaRave????

Its irrelevant to me if KJK is a "celebrity". Perhaps it's implied I follow her because I'm a vapid bleater that might be impressed by that? If I was a woke bleater I'd be inclined to adopt the term "micro aggression" from their vocabulary to describe that snide observation. She is a very effective womans rights activist who does (in my 2nd wave feminist terminology) consciouness raising. I am plased to note that many comments have been positive about her activism. Her approach is truly not everybodys cup of tea, especially for the lily livered who prefer their activism to be performative behind a pseudonym and invisibility cloak.

And of course, Feminist Left is perfectly entitled to devote their time and resources to muckraking and criticising a woman; a woman who works full time to educate the general public about the malevolence of trans gender ideology. It is being super effective at showing them up to be virtue spiralling, divisive and envious and driving women like me, former progressives, away in droves.

CPAC are not demons. They are conservative people with traditional and conservative values. Like many women with critical thinking capacities there things I can agree with, take on board and other things I completely reject. They are not holding us prisoners. Their political body offered to pay the public liability insurance costs for KJKs rally. It was a legal requirement that whomever paid the insurance had their logo on flyers.

Still haven't found out anything more about who this shadowy organisation Feminist Left are.

AGCL are pro CabaBabaRave????

There are members of that group who genuinely seem to believe that anti trans is actual anti gay and anti lesbian. And of course right wing.

Maybe their politics are from the Queer agenda. They feel they are the front line of progressive politics or ... they are just delusional.

And as has been said so many times before, if they put as much effort into actually confronting righ wing politics as they do trolling other women, they might have more credibility.

Their stated aims sounds quiterational if you put left before women, but in practice anyone who posts something such as querying why do they spend so much time obsessing by KJK they are usually told they aren't in the right group.

"CPAC are not demons"

No. They are not demons.

And those who are not from Australia probably didn't pick up that that conference that the site listed as being so problematic, had a speaker who was very senior in the Australian Labour Party at one stage.

What an inconvenient truth!

Fucked that argument right up.

Another reason I suspect the creator of that site is not who they say they are.

Not that it matters. I haven't seen them provide anything credible and Kellie Jay just continues regardless.

This doesn't surprise me as when I was a part of this "religion" that a was a very prevalent idea.

That literally everyone who didn't subscribe to every idea that they believed was not only conservative but a part of the alt-right agenda. Anti gay, definitely racist against anyone who was not white, hated women and if you were a woman it was assumed that you had internalized mysogyny. They quite literally think we want to do an ethnic cleansing. And they not only believe that we hate trans people but we quite literally want them to suffer and die and that we take pleasure in their suffering.

It's just easier that way because then you can hate them and feel good about it. And then you don't have to feel bad about intentionally mincing their words and taking them out of context. You are convinced that you are "saving" innocent vulnerable trans people from murder and suicide because obviously these crazy alt right people are DEFINITELY bullying trans and gay kids and "literally" killing them with online harassment.

They are intellectual cowards. They are scared to have real honest conversations because they are desperately afraid that they are wrong. Because to admit that you are wrong then got will have to doubt everything that you believe in that held you up. You will have to admit that you bullied people that were not monsters but complicated people and that the morality of this situation is a lot more complicated and grey then you were told by the trans women are women mantras that you put yourself to sleep to every night.

And then you would have to look yourself in the mirror every morning knowing that you were a part of that and you're the real asshole not the gender critics. And if that's true then all of your TRA friends will hate you and call YOU a TERF and a homophobo transphobe and that's the scariest thing that you can imagine.

It turns out that there is an "actual" left wing feminist group in Australia who have tweeted a response to the SfW tour which illustrates a feminist analysis rather than the attempted hatchet piece by the fake group.

See mobile.twitter.com/Ozwimmsrights/status/1633612995904552960

The link between the fake feminist group, rumour has it, is that one of them may once have been flatmates with one of the founders of AGCL.

Thank you Iwant for highlighting the statement from AF4WR.

I'm grateful to AF4WR for being very clear about where they stand politically without feeling the need to tear down another campaigner trying to give women a voice.

I'm grateful to AF4WR for being very clear about where they stand politically without feeling the need to tear down another campaigner trying to give women a voice.

Exactly!