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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Ice Hockey - 'transgender policy' - what could possibly go wrong?

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ArabellaScott · 05/03/2023 10:45

www.icehockeyuk.co.uk/transgender-policy/

A policy that one can admire for its certitude, if not much else.

Good fucking god, who wrote this nonsense?!

'Deliberate use of inappropriate names and pronouns amounts to harassment.'

'Titles such as Mx may be requested, and are already appearing in, for instance, Passports'

'If an individual has a GRC, any person learning of a that individual’s trans history, while working in an ‘official capacity’ – such as a manager or office staff – would commit a criminal offence if they passed this information on, without the explicit permission of the person concerned.'

'It is, in any case, good practice to treat trans people as though they have a GRC, and maintain absolute confidentiality'

'Where a person changes gender role, whilst still being an active, playing member (or a member of staff)[3], all documents relating to the person’s previous history, name, gender status or other personal details should be kept separately from other club paperwork, in a locked safe or drawer, in double envelopes which must be sealed, marked confidential, and only accessed by a named person, agreed by the trans person, for instance, the Club manager, whose name should appear on the outer envelope'

'players, staff and spectators ... must be accommodated in men’s and women’s toilets and changing areas, according to the gender role in which they are living full-time'

'When teams are staying away from home overnight, the usual practice is for two people to share a room. It is also usually acceptable in situations where one of the pair is trans, as long as the trans person is in agreement. This means trans boys/men will share with one other boy/man, and vice versa. The manager will have responsibility for ensuring that a sensible choice of responsible individuals is made. For those under 16, the views of parents should be taken into account'

Later on, the policy suggests that safety should be taken into account and acknowledges sex differences, but given that any mention of anyone's sex or gender identity is to be buried in radiation-proof secret lead-lined safes 200 leagues beneath the sea, how on earth would this be implemented?

If a big, beefy male decides they wants to play with the girls, how do they delicately mention the safety aspect without risking aforementioned heinous criminal wrongthink?

Wonder no more! A helpful hypothetical situation is demonstrated by 'Martha':

'Case study: Martha had recently transitioned. She had played ice-hockey as a man and the men’s team regarded her as a good, but not outstanding player. During the first year following her transition, she was more focussed on dealing with her work situation, and she temporary stopped playing. As things settled down in her life, she wanted to play ice-hockey again, and approached the women’s team manager. The manager said that the usual process was to have a trial with the women’s team. The women’s team captain was fine with this, but some of the other players objected and one asked if she had a gender recognition certificate. The manager said, “I don’t know, and I’m not going to ask. It would be a breach of her privacy and it’s not relevant”. The manager and the captain, insisted that it was only fair to let Martha try out for the team. Martha’s trial showed that her standard of play was considered good enough to be a team member, but she was certainly not the best player. Several other woman played to a higher standard. She joined the team, and the matter was never raised again.'

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GolfForBrains · 05/03/2023 15:01

This is insane. I recently took daughter and her friends to watch an ice hockey match. On the way there, they were wondering if it would be mixed-sex. I broke the cardinal rule of driving teenagers anywhere (pretend to be invisible, deaf and NEVER EVER speak) and said no, mixed sex ice hockey would be dangerous for the female players. They all thought I was some kind of anti-equality loon who thought women were weaker then men. When I collected them, all they could talk about - in tones of disbelief - was how violent it was and the various punch ups. They were very quiet when I asked if they had fancied joining in.

Jesko · 05/03/2023 15:05

Is 'and the matter was never raised again' the new 'and everybody clapped'?

RLScott · 05/03/2023 15:07

GolfForBrains · 05/03/2023 15:01

This is insane. I recently took daughter and her friends to watch an ice hockey match. On the way there, they were wondering if it would be mixed-sex. I broke the cardinal rule of driving teenagers anywhere (pretend to be invisible, deaf and NEVER EVER speak) and said no, mixed sex ice hockey would be dangerous for the female players. They all thought I was some kind of anti-equality loon who thought women were weaker then men. When I collected them, all they could talk about - in tones of disbelief - was how violent it was and the various punch ups. They were very quiet when I asked if they had fancied joining in.

The late great comedian Rodney Dangerfield - "I went to the fights last night, and a hockey game broke out."

purpledalmation · 05/03/2023 15:12

Good heavens. Have they actually been to a hockey match. Those poor women will be slaughtered.

Rightsraptor · 05/03/2023 15:28

I love that Rodney Dangerfield quote.

I've been to some ice hockey games, never understood what was going on - they have three halves, I think? That alone is odd.

But horrendously physical and incredibly fast. It may be technically a no contact sport but that puck flies around all over at the speed of lightening and there's a lot of bodies crashing into each other.

And yes, whatever wrong end of the stick the modern miss has grasped about the relative strengths of men vs women - men are physically stronger, usually by a considerable margin. That is not a value judgement or a moral statement about females, which is how it seems to be interpreted in these tragic times.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 05/03/2023 15:40

Field hockey is very captured at Board level. DH is very involved in hockey & they’ve always had a large contingent of L & G players & officials. I suspect that the Boards have fallen for the “it’s just like LGB rights” storyline

I has hoped that ice hockey would be a bit more fucking sensible as it’s so physical but guess not! And yes I note the very large preponderance of men on their Board

Misstache · 05/03/2023 15:57

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IceFair · 05/03/2023 16:51

@PermanentTemporary But so you mean you've never seen a woman play field hockey without full protection?
I was only referring to ice hockey.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 05/03/2023 17:43

Rightsraptor · 05/03/2023 15:28

I love that Rodney Dangerfield quote.

I've been to some ice hockey games, never understood what was going on - they have three halves, I think? That alone is odd.

But horrendously physical and incredibly fast. It may be technically a no contact sport but that puck flies around all over at the speed of lightening and there's a lot of bodies crashing into each other.

And yes, whatever wrong end of the stick the modern miss has grasped about the relative strengths of men vs women - men are physically stronger, usually by a considerable margin. That is not a value judgement or a moral statement about females, which is how it seems to be interpreted in these tragic times.

They have three "periods" not halves. Each period is 20 minutes long.

nepeta · 05/03/2023 18:25

I enjoy watching women's elite ice hockey considerably more than men's for the very reason that it is less focused on stupid fights and so more focused on actual skillful plays.

The rules about whose will determines room sharing are absolutely ghastly, because as others have stated they reflect the idea that women and girls are part of the furniture, to be moved around as pleases the transgender person and have absolutely no say over who they share a room with, say. The idea that they would have a say is predetermined to be prejudice!

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/03/2023 23:10

I think the posting of field hockey policies upthread has caused some confusion.

Field hockey is a non-contact☆ sport.

Ice hockey is an extremely-forceful-contact sport.

It would therefore be entirely inappropriate to apply rules and risks for the former to the latter.

☆ Between players. There is a definite possibility of contact between player and hard, fast-moving ball. Which will be moving faster if hit by a man.

EpicChaos · 08/03/2023 02:14

@ArabellaScott " Hockey is a non-contact sport "

Body checking happens in ice skating, where as the description suggests, one player will use the strength of their body, to impede another player. For those of an age, it would be a bit like doing ' The bump ' in an extremely vicious and violent manner.
As others have said, it's designed to be a very heavy contact sport.

@Rightsraptor " I've been to some ice hockey games, never understood what was going on - they have three halves, I think? That alone is odd. "

@HiccupHorrendousHaddock " They have three "periods" not halves. Each period is 20 minutes long. "

You beat me to it hiccup, except that i was going to point out, that it's the nearest a trans will get to having one! Harsh but true! lol

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2023 02:32

For anyone in any doubt what ice hockey is like:

And BTW that's without the full-on 'drop the gloves' fights that break out. Enforcers? It's full, full on.

EpicChaos · 08/03/2023 02:50

Ooooh yeah @MrsTerryPratchett , it's a vicious game, definitely not for the fainthearted and that's just the audience!
Way past time i watched Slap Shot again :-)

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2023 02:53

Way past time i watched Slap Shot again :-)

Grin
bugsinmybrain · 08/03/2023 03:02

JellySaurus · 05/03/2023 14:36

If hockey is a non-contact sport, why is the goalie dressed like this? And why are defence wearing face helmets? And why are all players wearing shin pads and padded gloves?

The puck flying at high speeds I think

But I also don't think it's a non contact sport or that women should be forced to share rooms with biological males without consenting to it first

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2023 03:11

I would assume anyone who thinks ice hockey is a non-contact sport in real life has never actually watched any. Women's is supposed to be 'non-checking' but that's not no contact.

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 08/03/2023 08:03

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2023 03:11

I would assume anyone who thinks ice hockey is a non-contact sport in real life has never actually watched any. Women's is supposed to be 'non-checking' but that's not no contact.

Canadian women’s hockey team is (somewhat violent) poetry in motion. Best part of the Winter Olympics.

ArabellaScott · 08/03/2023 08:54

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/03/2023 23:10

I think the posting of field hockey policies upthread has caused some confusion.

Field hockey is a non-contact☆ sport.

Ice hockey is an extremely-forceful-contact sport.

It would therefore be entirely inappropriate to apply rules and risks for the former to the latter.

☆ Between players. There is a definite possibility of contact between player and hard, fast-moving ball. Which will be moving faster if hit by a man.

Sorry, that was me, thinking I'd just stick all the 'hockey' policies in one thread.

It all looks a bit much to me, on ice or not.

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ArabellaScott · 08/03/2023 08:55

All I remember from school hockey was getting repeatedly hit in the tits by the stick.

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Rainbowshit · 08/03/2023 18:55

I played hockey with the boys once at school and only once. I was body blocked by one of the boys and absolutely flattened. Took me a while to manage to get up as was completely winded.

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