'Concern' over WRU trans women ban in female-only games'

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64825491

"Welsh ministers wrote to the Welsh Rugby Union expressing "concern" about its ban on transgender women competing in female-only games.
Their letter stated "inclusion" should be the "starting point" for decisions on transgender people's participation in any part of society."

Why is it so often these people giving away women's ability to compete in sports are actually bloody women!

Dawn Bowden, deputy sports minister, and Hannah Blythyn, deputy minister for social partnership are the women in question here

Exclusive idiots (and I mean Welsh govt in case of doubt)

Any welsh MNetters on here should write to them... the starting point should be safety, then fairness, then inclusion.

The UK Sports Council Guidance from 2021 is very clear. https://equalityinsport.org/resources/index.html

Competitive fairness cannot be reconciled with self-identification into the female category in gender- affected sport.'

'Sports should retain sex categorisation'

'Tedtosterone suppression is unlikely to guarantee fairness between transgender women and natal females in gender-affected sports:'

'Case-by-case’ assessment is unlikely to be practical nor verifiable for entry'

'Categorisation by sex is lawful, and hence the requirement to request information relating to birth sex is appropriate.'

I hope this will concentrate minds at the WRU. This is in the wake of men playing against men. Imagine women playing against men-who-identify-as-women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65088050

See also Dr Elisabeth Williams's research on head impact biomechanics in contact sports, with a particular focus on female athletes and rugby union. (Swansea University)

I doubt the WRU are likely to change their policy despite what Welsh Labour says. Payouts over safety definitely will be part of that. As the recent scandal has revealed they have a big problem with traditional sexism I don't think they want more attention.

Men in sport know exactly who women are when harassing them.

WRUs ban is based on evidence.

Welsh government seem to be trying very hard to beat Scotland on the Stonewall index!

Reading some of these very well expressed objections, I am hoping that some of you with Welsh connections will be able to find time to send them on to the relevant politicians.

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Imagine a member of the all blacks decided he liked the colour pink...

I was training in the gym earlier this week. A professional and an amateur rugby player both in there at the same time. I would not want to be on a pitch with either of them. I’m quite short anyway but they were giants both over 6 foot and each 100kg of solid muscle.
Both lovely gents but that wouldn’t stop them knocking me into the middle of next week if they collided with me at speed during a game

@Chersfrozenface .. great that male rugby players are being compensated for their injuries. I have serious doubts that injured females would receive the same support given the weight of evidence we have where women and women's problems are structurally ignored, under investigated, under supported across sport, medicine and the judicial system.

Women's sport continues to be underfunded with women having to fit around men. Sporting equipment and facilities are not recalibrated for women. Much medical research ignores the impact on women. The impact of male violence on women is largely dismissed by the judicial system.

When people repeat that insurance will become an issue, I fail to see this - I cannot see that women would ever win a case, should they be seriously injured by a man on the pitch. I would love to be proved wrong.

The Welsh government and police have been transwashed by lobby groups like Stonewall and Diversity Role Models who have been pushing their false version of the Equality Act in the manner of Grima Wormtongue. It will be difficult to remove their tentacles especially with a clown like Drakeford at the helm.

But they DID start from a point of “inclusion”. Their old policy allowed men to play on the women’s team. The fact that they changed it was because they recognized that it wasn’t working, or because of advances in the understanding of retained differences.

The thing I find most sickening is that all these changes in rules and laws and social contracts, where men invaded women’s sports and spaces, were made under a cloak of secrecy. The issues were never explored and the disadvantages to women never discussed, but then when the discussions finally begin, usually as a result of problems, and fairness begins to be restored, there are shouts and interjections and objections that the rights of these interloper men are being removed.

It’s incredibly underhand, what has been done to women.

We have women's sports to exclude biological men. Seems reasonable. Biological women are excluded from contact sports with biological men, after all. Cause the same: likelihood of injury to women (fed up with adding 'biological). Men are also excluded from women's sports where their strength and stamina have an effect on outcomes e.g. in swimming etc.

At this point anyone mentioning inclusion can safely be assumed to be narcissistic donkey.

Does it not enter their heads that TW are not excluded from participating in sport? All they have to do, is compete with/against other males. It is not women who are preventing this, it is the huge sense of male entitlement, delicate male egos and toxic masculinity that are the barriers, if any, to TW participating in sport.

[edited to give middle finger to Aston]

Note it is 20 months since the WRU decided to keep women's rugby going in Wales in Sept 2022. Nothing has happened since except some women got to play a sport they enjoyed in peace.

The Welsh government have made no moves to challenge the decision because they don't have a basis. They only believe in gender stuff when in suits them.

Hopefully they will cave on the absurd 100% male gender quota for the Senedd too.