Page 5 | Lost friends because I am not a believer

WhatIsGenderQueerAnyway · 2023-02-28T22:30:18+00:00

Regular poster but NC. Please tell me how refusing to go along with the delusion that a person can change sex and that everyone has a gender has affected your relationships and friendships. It’s proving to be a bumpy road for me as I peaked several years ago and since then have lost a few friends. It’s been an eye opener actually.

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WhatIsGenderQueerAnyway · 02/03/2023 08:31

@TimeForThunder I appreciate your post, thank you for taking the time. I agree with your phrase “authoritarian bullies”, it definitely applies to a couple of people who have blocked me and so on.

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DanseAvecLesLoup · 02/03/2023 08:31

Tabitha1960 · 02/03/2023 05:04

I should add that, when I first got peaked about 4 yrs ago and started talking to those close to me, they all already held the GC position. However, I did lose a lodger because I came put as a "terf."

She was very young, just out of Uni and landed her first ever job. It was far from home so she came to lodge at my house. Whilst having a get-to-know each other chat I told her she was allowed to have a boyfriend to stay over occasionally, she told me she was a gold-star lesbian (one that has never been with a man). Fair enough.

However a couple of weeks later another lodger happened to mention something about trans people and he was a bit derogatory, mocking them, and the new lady got cross with him, saying she had been in a relationship with a pre op TW tutor for a year whilst at Uni living in halls.

Shortly afterwards we were having a cuppa and a friendly chat and I gently broached the subject: I asked her to explain to this old dinosaur (me) how you can have a sexual relationship with a biological male for a year but still call yourself a gold star lesbian. She instantly became shirty with me, mumbled something about a lady penis being completely different from the usual horrible male ones, then abandoned her coffee and went to her room, wrote a letter giving me 2 weeks notice.

What is the difference between a penis and a 'lady penis' to those beholden to the trans ideology?

MichelleScarn · 02/03/2023 08:49

Lady peen are sparkly and pretty and shoot out glittery stuff... male penises (peni ?) are just sexual organs that ejaculate semen I think?

DanseAvecLesLoup · 02/03/2023 09:05

MichelleScarn · 02/03/2023 08:49

Lady peen are sparkly and pretty and shoot out glittery stuff... male penises (peni ?) are just sexual organs that ejaculate semen I think?

Now there is an image burnt into my conscious

TimeForThunder · 02/03/2023 09:07

I'm sorry to hear your experiences, that sounds very difficult. However, your story about the lodger has really tickled my enjoyment of the ridiculous. I hope with enough distance and time you find the funny side of that one.

Poor woman. It sounds like being a 'gold star' lesbian is so much a part of the narrative she's constructed about herself that she's desperate not to let it go. Which is understandable and deserving of compassion but the absurdity it has lead her to is a prime candidate for a skewering of human foibles!

TimeForThunder · 02/03/2023 09:09

That was in response to @Tabitha1960

IcakethereforeIam · 02/03/2023 09:16

@Tabitha1960 I'm so sorry. Some of the 'be kind' crowd need to look up what bigotry actually is. I think the cognitive dissonance is so profound it's actually mentally painful. Which they deal with by attacking the perceived source of the pain.

mach2 · 02/03/2023 12:33

Transgenderism, which I distinguish from dysphoria, is an ideological belief system. Its adherents appear to depend heavily on external opinion for validation. It is so fragile that one dissenting voice is "damaging" and "dangerous", and the dissenter must be closed down and made to repent.

Doubters must be forced to change their belief or made to be quiet through fear of the consequences. Which is why doubters must be hounded out of jobs, driven out of business, excluded from societies and stripped of friends.

Unfortunately, identity politics, of which transgenderism is a part, is deeply embedded in the public sector, NGOs and the corporate world. Going against all of this can be a very lonely business, especially when old friends and new turn in you.

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WhatIsGenderQueerAnyway · 02/03/2023 12:38

Thank you @mach2

You’ve summarised what I have started to think very well.

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mach2 · 02/03/2023 12:59

WhatIsGenderQueerAnyway · 02/03/2023 12:38

Thank you @mach2

You’ve summarised what I have started to think very well.

Welcome. It's an idea that has slowly formed these last few years as I watch the antics.

I'm reminded of Mao's Red Guards, minus the massive physical brutality*. I'm convinced that it can't be reasoned with.

* The menace is there though, in the "Decapitate Terfs" and "Suck my girldick" signs.

nepeta · 02/03/2023 16:40

I was thinking of this thread last night, because it links to something slightly different: not losing friends, but losing respect for various public persons, including some who say they are feminists, when they unthinkingly (?) appear to prioritise male interests/demands/needs over female ones.

I feel I can't trust them now, even on unrelated issues, because they are either not what they stated they were (say, feminists) or they are more stupid than I thought or lazier than I thought in not having done the hard thinking and research which is required.

This feeling must be thousand times stronger when it's friends who suddenly turn on someone.

Groutyonehereagain · 02/03/2023 19:37

mach2 · 02/03/2023 12:33

Transgenderism, which I distinguish from dysphoria, is an ideological belief system. Its adherents appear to depend heavily on external opinion for validation. It is so fragile that one dissenting voice is "damaging" and "dangerous", and the dissenter must be closed down and made to repent.

Doubters must be forced to change their belief or made to be quiet through fear of the consequences. Which is why doubters must be hounded out of jobs, driven out of business, excluded from societies and stripped of friends.

Unfortunately, identity politics, of which transgenderism is a part, is deeply embedded in the public sector, NGOs and the corporate world. Going against all of this can be a very lonely business, especially when old friends and new turn in you.

I believe they refer to their condition as gender dysphoria, which then leads them on to be transgender. I completely agree that validation is very important to them and anyone who questions, is shut down. If the person questioning persists then they are ostracised, unless they repent. In the case of male to female trans, their behaviour is very much fuelled by their masculinity, which is pretty ironic considering. If you are female and question, then there appears to be a degree of misogyny in the script.

SoonToBeQueenCamilla · 02/03/2023 19:47

Alltheprettyseahorses · 01/03/2023 09:51

You could look at it another way. Their adherence to wacky luxury beliefs have cost them friends.

This.

DuesToTheDirt · 02/03/2023 19:49

@Tabitha1960 what horrendous behaviour. It really shows how nasty some of the trans believers are - it's a real witch hunt. I think they like to cancel people primarily because they can't engage in debate with us, as they have no logical arguments to back them up.

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WhatIsGenderQueerAnyway · 02/03/2023 20:58

mach2 · 02/03/2023 12:59

Welcome. It's an idea that has slowly formed these last few years as I watch the antics.

I'm reminded of Mao's Red Guards, minus the massive physical brutality*. I'm convinced that it can't be reasoned with.

* The menace is there though, in the "Decapitate Terfs" and "Suck my girldick" signs.

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Yes, I have seen photos of those signs on Twitter. They were very shocking.

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