Do any older women transition?

[Teatime55]

I feel like all I see are loads of middle aged men wanting to be women, and teenage girls/young women wanting to be male.
Are there middle aged women transitioning? Getting surgery etc.

Whereas men are more detached from family life therefore more time to spend thinking about themselves.
It's such gender stereotyping.

Very similar to the only one I know. Who started out as a butch lesbian. Makes me really sad and miss my friend.

I have wondered before that when a lesbian transitions to being male, surely they are no longer attractive to lesbians. I’m not a lesbian but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t want a man of any description (hence being lesbian). So who do trans men want to be attracted to/be attractive to? I may be wrong but are there many straight women who want to transition 🤷‍♀️ or maybe that’s what ‘pan’ is?

You’ve clearly missed all info about the mental
load then?
You don’t venture into relationships or AIBU and read the many, many cases of marriages under massive strain because men so often opt out of being a parent or doing anything around the house?
Who are the majority of primary carers of children?
Which parent is most likely to carry the mental load, to pick up a sick child early from nursery or school? To make sure the torn school jumper is fixed or replaced? To take the dog to the vet for its booster? To talk to the children’s teachers? To know about upcoming school trips, dentist appointments?
It certainly isn’t fathers. How many of us have split from our husbands because they’re useless and find that taking care of a house and children is so much easier because there are no expectations of the other adult of the house pulling their weight?
Of course it’s sexist - men backing off from their fatherly duties. Someone’s got to make sure children are clothed and fed, someone’s got to step up and do it, and it’s usually the mother!

Do you live under a rock???

But it’s largely true.
Men so often neglect their parental responsibilities. Women rarely do.

Some lesbians will date trans men, some won't. Some lesbians whose partner transitions stays with them. Very few trans men have phalloplasty because the outcomes are usually so poor.

Or maybe more accurate to say younger queer women who would normally only date women will date trans men.

Nail, meet hammer. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

There are plenty of older women who transition to men.

I saw some statistics about transgender men and women by age group recently. I didn't save the link, but it showed that after roughly the age of thirty males are the majority in each age group, and the older the group the higher the male majority. There are some female transitioners in the older age groups, too, but the difference to the younger age groups is very large as females are the majority among those until the twenties.

I did notice a couple of years ago that period pants in Sainsbury’s were devoid of the word woman or lady whereas products such as tenna is very much still using the words woman and lady.

I wonder when the gender tide will hit there?

Sadly after listening to Ritchie Heron I imagine a wide range of trans identifying people of all ages and both sexes may need to use urinary incontinence products.

ONS census 2021 data:

www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc2224/fig5/index.html

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/articles/genderidentityageandsexenglandandwalescensus2021/2023-01-25

The Sex Matters commentary on the census:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/

Im middle aged and would quite happily get my breasts removed and could totally live without periods. I've always hated my breasts and would jump at the chance to lop them off, or reduce them, and am saving up the 10K needed for breast reduction. I do sometimes think, shall I pretend to be living as a man to speed up the process and get it for free like all the silly teenage girls but, in all honestly, apart from the breasts, nobody would notice me 'living as a man'. I haven;t worn skirts or dresses for years, barely wear makeup. I work in a male dominated industry with all blokes. I don't show emotion, if I can help it, after years of having to hide them at work. I don't take much shit, I play video games and I like male stereotype hobbies. Oh and I hate the colour pink, I like cool blues and greens.

Shows how stupid the whole thing is really, I am a non-girly woman, was a tom boy as a kid etc so, by today's standards, I am literally a man anyway (not a butch lesbian, hetero with kids).

Does that graph include nonbinary? I suspect that it does, given that it's included in trans in some other contexts of the census. The data I saw showed greater differences between male and female numbers in older age categories, but it didn't include the nonbinary alternative. I believe that more females than males identify as nonbinary.

But what does 'identified as trans' mean on that graph, ClaphamSouth? As there was no option for 'I do not have a/believe in gender identity' on the census, I wonder how many women chose a different option.

According to Stonewall, many of us qualify as trans by virtue of being gender nonconforming or agender.

I'm afraid I can't see a chart in the ONS's article which splits by sex and gender identity and age, but there was this: "People aged 16 to 24 years had the highest proportions of people who identified as a trans woman (0.15% or 9,000), as a trans man (0.22% or 14,000), and as non-binary (0.26% or 17,000). The proportion who identified with these categories then decreased with each successive age group.
People aged 35 to 44 years (0.36% or 28,000) had the highest proportion who said that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth, but did not give a more specific identity, such as trans man or trans woman. A similar proportion of people aged 25 to 34 years (0.35% or 28,000) answered this way."

More than half of those who identified themselves as female and as having a trans gender identity were below the age of 35. Also "People who identified as a trans man had a younger age profile than people who identified as a trans woman. Those aged 16 to 24 years made up 28.54% (14,000) of those who identified as a trans man, compared with 19.31% (9,000) of those who identified as a trans woman."

I was one of those who took part in the Sex in the Census protest Jellyasaurus - got my paper copy and included the letter when I sent it back though sadly no response. The responses to the census show either significant confusion about what the Gender Identity terms mean, or that many of those who claimed a trans gender identity didn't tell the truth about their sex. This is clear in this passage from the ONS article linked: "People who identified as a trans woman and were aged 16 to 24 years were more likely to have answered male (63.20% or 6,000) to the sex question than female (36.80% or 3,000). In the other age groups, people who identified as a trans woman were more likely to have answered female to the sex question than answered male to the sex question.
People who identified as a trans man and were aged 16 to 24 years were more likely to have answered female (63.35% or 9,000) to the sex question than male (36.65% or 5,000). In other age groups, people who identified as a trans man were more likely to have answered male to the sex question than answered female to the sex question." and this is discussed in the Sex Matters commentary.

This is what I don’t understand about all this gender nonsense. Women can have interests and outlooks that are seen as more male and vice versa. Women can wear ‘mannish’ clothes and men can wear ‘girly’ clothes - it doesn’t mean they have the wrong biological sex. It seems gender ‘non conformers’ are the exact people who stereotype sex/genders.

Eh? That confirms it surely.

Well I have to admit, getting my breasts lopped off would be very affirming for me, if we could stop meno too (does testosterone do that) then I'm up for making people call me he/him.

On a different but related note,

I vaguely (waves hands around it's so vague) remember the stats from the tavistock pre 2004 that they mostly had males using the service however roughly 90 females a year also required their services.
I know that figure has shot up exponentially since.
So it's not so out there that a few older women will transition.

But still a few hundred women transitioning is not in the same league as thousands of men transitioning. And we already know they transition for different reasons.