Experiences of a Trans Person

[invalide]

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

I'm paid a vast sum of money to understand and apply the principles of risk, probability and mitigation on behalf of my employer. There is a risk that any male, no matter how they present, will sexually predate women in a female SSE. The probability of this risk becoming a reality is small at an individual level but high when the number of SSEs is viewed as a totality. The only practical mitigation is to exclude all males from female SSEs.

But that's just a mechanical view. My, my DD's and my DM's dignity, privacy, safety and sense of well-being demand the exclusion of men from women's spaces.

They are saying they identify as trans but not as a transwoman
None binary is part of the umbrella

Meaning they are not revealing their sex - just hinting at it by the language their use of

trans prison inmates 13 times more likely to face sexual assault in prison

I had a quick look and that's Californian prisons. Not much in common with UK prisons. And it doesn't compare rates to sexual attacks on women prisoners, instead it compares to other men. Yes transwomen in a men's prison are more vulnerable than other men. California is rubbish at protecting prisoners, their idea of protecting people is to let male trans people identify themselves into women's prisons. But women are just as much vulnerable to sexual attacks by transwomen (not to mention phsyically male nonbinaries) as by other men. And women don't exist just to protect physically male people.

You need to keep a very steady logical head if you're going to read this stuff and you want to interpret it properly.

And here's
someone who knows, talking about Scottish prisons - see first 17 minutes. Keep thinking!

Just a reminder about the possibility (raised several times yesterday) of trackers on links in the OP's posts.

Oh, I see, you want everywhere mixed sex and public nakedness. I thought the increasing numbers of German Muslims meant that particular hangover from the Nazi era was going out.

don't be an idiot. I didn't say that's what i want at all. It isn't. I was pointing out that different cultures have different ideas about nudity. You're the twat that brought up a) Nazis and b) Muslims.

ODFOD

trans prison inmates 13 times more likely to face sexual assault in prison

Safety of T prison inmates (male ones I suppose, it's not mentioned, but usually does) is a relevant issue. Yes. There are many ways forward with that. Loads. Multiple options to improve this.

But the option of stuffing them in women's prisons and using female prisoners as any part of the therapeutic support is off the table.

We will only see liberation from this toxic gender paradigm when we recognise it as the source of the violence which women and queer people have experienced all our lives and act against it together.

Gender is indeed the source of much shit - hence 'gender critical'.

Gender is indeed the source of much shit - hence 'gender critical'.

Yes, exactly. We're not the gender fans here.

Good lord what a lot of burble.

We will only see what, when we do what, (forced teaming) and do what?

Plain English for pete's sake.

Not having a pop at you, but what does that even mean?
Trans is an abbreviation of the word transexual. There are only two sexes. Non binary says to me I want to feel part of special group like trans but I'm afraid of the surgery, and I'm just a booring old straight really, but if I say non binary that makes me special. I've learnt to tilt my head really coquettishly though.

Sat at their desk with a thesaurus feeling all smug.

Bollocks is still bollocks in ALL languages.

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind

And despite your saying you're "non-binary" (whatever the fuck that is) you are using the kind of language men use towards women who they seek to control.

Oh, and despite your claim that you're non-binary, you did, in fact, entitle this thread "Experiences of a Transperson" which also suggests that you're male.

Finally, why did you post this in FWR on MN? Because you knew that the women here will not pay you any heed.

Because you're a man. You can call yourself non-binary/transperson/transwoman/whatever, but everything you post tells us you're a man.

I'd really value a good-faith conversation @invalide about how the concept of non-binary does/doesn't reinforce the concept of the genders assigned at birth and how we as men and women are expected, socially, to align with them. I'm not anti-trans, I'm not anti-NB, I'm not anti any of it. I'm not a KJK follower, or any of the other groupings you've mentioned. I am genuinely curious how the concept of being able to be non-binary doesn't reinforce the idea that there are ways women (and people who identify as them) act, and there are ways men and people who identify as men, act.

Why do you feel the need to put a gender label on yourself at all OP? Just express yourself how you like. Doesn't affect your sex.

@invalide , great to have you back. Can you clear up two further matters, now that we've all been updated on your identity for today, please?

1. What is the tracking in your links for? What did you intend to do with the information you were gathering and;
2. Why did you think it was advisable or necessary to link to this thread on Twitter? What was your intention there?

Looking forward to understanding more.

Oh, and despite your claim that you're non-binary, you did, in fact, entitle this thread "Experiences of a Transperson" which also suggests that you're male.

yes a male trans person (under the umbrella) lecturing women on how gender identity somehow males from ‘the patriarchy’ and into oppression.

It doesn’t work, but society has told these male people it does because ‘kindness’.

OP. I could not care what gender you are because you are male, your post is misogynistic and you seem to think you have some type of entitlement to lecture women and tell them the threats are deserved . But it is male entitlement that we see. Very clearly.

You posts also lack factual coherence and you think you are posting wonderful gotchas. Reality eg? It is shit isn’t it.

There may be only 2 sexes biologically but gender can be anything and isn't tied to your sex so you can have as many options as you want - "it's how you feel man " would be the sixties take

None binary is a way of saying I don't like gender norms
....so o am going to label myself with a gender label , propagate the idea that gender norms are ok for most people

And get the kudos that comes from being transgender rather than the crap that comes from being gender rejectionary

alt-right figures and groups, of this country and internationally, are attracted to your movement.

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it: Nazis burned books, Christian fundamentalists burned books, and trans rights activists have burned books - the last two groups even burned books by the exact same author! If we're playing guilt by association, Nazis, the Christian far-right, and TRAs are the ones that are linked together. You must be so proud of your movement.

Looking forward to Kellie-Jay's film launching on YouTube later today which documents her recent trip to the US, for any lurkers, I think it will be interesting to see what women are up against when they try to speak up for women's sex based rights. Not just sparkly people dancing and wearing "camp pretty things".

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So you're not trans. Don't say "experience of a trans person" when you are not trans. It's not gutter press reading that has made people assume you are trans.

Non-binary is not someone with gender dysmorphia. You probably don't experience any same-sex attraction either. You are likely a heterosexual male, yet claim to be part of the "queer community".

I thought it was very telling you used "queer community" instead of "LGBT community". You are the Q+ that the LGB have no time for.

I'm non-binary too - but also a biological female. Gender is made up - solved it for you!

@invalide

You misdiagnose the problem all women and the queer community face: it is not males, but the way they are socialised. It is not men but patriarchy

Oh mate.

We know. We get that. Way way more than you do.

I would love a happy happy world where toxic gender roles have gone away forever and people can just be who they are. I hope someday we get there.

But what you and your (mostly) well meaning but naive "community" are doing will not get us there, because while you are faffing about with pronouns and turning up at protests to try and scare women who look like your mum and you know are unlikely, whatever you claim, and unlike other groups you could challenge, to react violently to you you are doing nothing, nothing, about the ingrained patriarchy that already exists in the minds of almost everyone in our society, whether they want it to or not.

When you take away the right of female people to name themselves, to organise, politicise and yes, to heal away from male voices, demands and gaze, to speak about the reality of being female bodied in this patriarchal society, to share our experiences and come to realise what society enables to be done to us, you take away the tools we need to stand up patriarchy.

You personally may not be consciously acting out male power or choosing to benefit from it but you are, simply because from the day you were born you swam in an ocean where society showed you that people with your body and voice are worth listening to, while people with my body and voice are shown that we are scenary, prizes, plucky sidekicks, nags, annoyances, support staff. And that matters, because it colours how your sex treats mine at all levels of society.

So although you see yourselves as beyond patriarchy, no longer justifying single sex support for women, behind you are millions of men who are not so enlightened and still enact the age old patriarchy, and millions of women who are socialised to accept and even enable it. And when you demand that we give up single sex protections and opportunities, when you demand we stop noticing that our bodies have consequences fir our lives and asking for political rights to mitigate that because they make you feel bad, you are also demanding that we submit to the patriarchy which you may not recognise in yourself and your friends but nevertheless is hammering on us every bloody day of our lives.

So yes, the enemy should not be you. It should be the patriarchy. So stop taking away our voices and our tools and our safety and stand up beside us to bloody fight it!

I'd actually be really interested in this convo. Unfortunately when MN gets a sniff of this topic they all attack like a bunch of angry wasps. Its a shame because there are some fantastic points raised on both sides which are the comments that get me thinking!

I think @invalide is a beta male.

LOL OP has already had a few run ins with KJK on twitter
They went exactly as you would imagine