Experiences of a Trans Person

[invalide]

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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Could you point me to the prosecution of feminists for violence against transwomen? With receipts.

Because otherwise, I might just think you're being a little, er, over the top for effect.

And I'll just go back to contemplating the meaning of the 2 to 3 women a week murdered in this country because they're women, and the 1% successful rape prosecutions, and the millions of female-sexed foetuses deliberately aborted every year: all because they are biologically female.

@Boiledbeetle first I thought...your school put you in the stocks, then that they had a whole cupboard for stock, then glacé cherries 🍒 yuck, but good for you. So, a bit of a journey.

You can't understand what is wrong about calling all trans people perverts?

Retaliation in the face of existential violence is to be expected. You expect us to go quietly into lives stripped of dignity?

ODFOD @invalide and perhaps read a bit of the history of women. Most women - until relatively recently historically speaking - have never been allowed dignity, to be stripped of. Read up about the Contagious Diseases Acts of the 1850s, learn about the experience of the suffragettes.

I always do wonder about people who want to be women, when they hate & despise women so much, and are so so ignorant of what it is to be a woman.

No one has done that, though. Do you understand why many women have concerns about their safety, privacy and dignity around all male people?

Apologies, I was replying to Justean

You can't understand what is wrong about calling all trans people perverts?

Sorry, no. I love cheese but Edam is horrible and Gouda is worse.

Basic logical error.

Do you understand that 'some' is not the equivalent of 'all'?

Start there, then reread.

Hammy Cheesy Eggy. Courtesy of my Dad. Slice of toast, add a slice of ham and back under the grill. Add a slice of cheese and back under the grill. Drop a fried egg on top and you have the food of the gods.

Nobody is calling all trans people perverts, in the same vein that we're not calling all men sex offenders by asking them to stick to male sex provisions. We just simply cannot tell which ones are dangerous or not.

people who want to be women, when they hate & despise women so much, and are so so ignorant of what it is to be a woman.

Critically examine and test the hypothesis from as much evidence as you can educate yourself with, that the desire is not to join women at all. It is to replace them. While displacing them and all their doings to a kind of lower service caste. Also critically examine the hypothesis from all possible sources (several threads this past week come to mind) that the moment this better upbrand of women arrives, all the servant class are not permitted to do anything but support and welcome and care for their betters.

Hence the complaints about a rally of females talking about female experience and needs being 'unwelcoming' to a person who actively supports not only the removal of their rights but extreme violence against them. (While complaining and wanting outrage that one sort of approached them in a possibly aggressive manner).

And hence the lesbian group required to stop socialising and having fun and support someone who neither wanted to be a woman nor a lesbian (largely as a gateway to then force these disobedient bitches daring to just enjoy themselves in their own time to admit and care for the needs of male people self defining as lesbians. As is their birthright. But sex doesn't exist. At least not for those born with penises who have the power to identify where they want and say it doesn't affect them so is obviously not an issue for anyone else.)

Females just aren't real people in this ideology. They're kind of a mix of the view a kid has of their sock washing, unconditional nose and arse wiping bit of your mum who has no inner life or thoughts that doesn't revolve around you, a kind of walking public sex aid, a free therapist, and a punchbag.

I keep waiting for the Lundy Bancroft lecture tour to start.

@Justeanbiscuits feel free to head back to Twitter to converse with the other male rights activists. Take your friends @invalide and @MadamAndTheAnts who are currently all over this thread and several others in this section with you.

Don’t be daft mate! No one is calling ALL trans people perverts.

Statistically male trans people (AMAB in Genderspecial speak) are far, far more likely to be perverts than female trans people (AFAB in Genderspecial speak).

This is because paraphillic disorders are overwhelmingly observed in men and because 95-98% of all violent crimes and sex offences are committed by men.

And also because… transwomen are men.

HTH!

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/paraphilia

www.verywellmind.com/what-are-paraphilic-disorders-6822839

It's been repeatedly explained.

It won't go in.

This is the storm upstairs and the wail of 'you never loved me' as the bedroom door slams, and you find yourself muttering, "I only said could you help with the washing up..."

The line, and the dramatic misconception, is meeting the need. Reality isn't going to get a look in.

100% of trans women could be absolutely lovey people.

100% of trans women could be the kindest, most peaceful, gentle law abiding citizens ever.

100% of trans women could be completely respectful of women and wish them no harm at all.

100% of trans women are still men.

And I don't want ANY men in my private spaces, even the good ones.

I don't give a crap who they are.

Men do not belong in women's spaces, that is ALL.

I just came on this thread interested to read the ”experiences of a trans person”, but OMG, the narcissism, the hyperbole, the tedious whinging, the poor logic, the calculated and curated victimhood, the lack of perspective, the bad faith non-“arguments”, the babyish overstatement — if that’s the experience of a trans person I’d rather not “pay it some mind”, thanks.

“I was being brazenly looked up and down”! This must be the “existential violence” deserving of “retaliation” that you talk of, OP — and your post is all of a piece with the logic of any man who justifies thumping women because he doesn’t like how they look at him and they should know their place. It’s misogyny pure and simple. Gender ideology is nothing more than ideologically sanctioned cultural appropriation for juvenile and shallow people who are terminally self-obsessed and more interested in clothes, hairstyles and “whatever camp pretty things they felt like” rather than any really important issues.

And that’s mirrored in the hyperbolic claims about being such an oppressed minority and suffering such “existential violence”. Just how narcissistic and inappropriate do you have to be to look at people with really awful lives - children in poverty, hunger, abuse, people who are disabled, who are sick, who have had really awful things happen to them, those fleeing war and persecution, those who are bereaved and dispossessed, and think that women disagreeing with you and “brazenly looking you up and down” is genuine oppression?

Females just aren't real people in this ideology. They're kind of a mix of the view a kid has of their sock washing, unconditional nose and arse wiping bit of your mum who has no inner life or thoughts that doesn't revolve around you, a kind of walking public sex aid, a free therapist, and a punchbag.

^^This. It’s tedious and childish, and despite all the scolding, it rests in a mulish inability to see life from any other perspective than that of a collective of self-obsessed individualists who are more interested in getting to do whatever they want whenever they want, than any real sense of social duty or community, or the real lives of other people. I’m not a straight woman, OP, but is a straight kid who wears “pretty camp things” and likes to cross-dress “queer”, but I’m not? What kind of “community” is that?

It’s the ideology of terminally vapid, shallow, consumerist, appearance-obsessed, feelings-obsessed youth and middle aged men who have never emotionally matured and think women are a slave class there to decorate his personal validation fantasies. And it’s never made sense to me why confused teenagers look at these middle aged men and think they have anything in common with them — but actually, it all revolves around a shared anger-fantasy about “mum”, doesn’t it?

A direct reference to Isla Bryson who is literally a convicted violent rapist.

Please note correct use of "literally".

When I read the title of the thread I haveone thought

I DONT CARE.

I prioritise the experiences of women and children.

It must be utterly mindblowing for the T to have to consider not being top priority!

Narcissism at it's most glamourous.

I've got visions of me in actual stocks now with eggs and cherries being thrown at me, then as i was writing it changed to me being in a cauldron of stock! But yes there was a time when schools actually had cooking supplies! There was a high number of students whose parents either couldn't of wouldn't provide what was needed. Plus i think it was also to cope with, "Michel where's your flour It won't work without the flour!" I suspect the cherries were actually the teachers own, judging by the anger level and the screaming!

Of course after that I spent most cooking lessons sat outside the head of years office or the headmasters! I wasnt to be trusted to be locked in a cupboard with the food!

Could you come with me please.....

It's time for your mandatory cheese re-education lessons.

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@myveryownelectrickitten what a good post. Very well put.

@Boiledbeetle I quite enjoyed DS, better than sewing. There's probably a half badly sewn smock(!), stuffed in a landfill somewhere with a skirt that I'd have grown out by the time I'd finished it. Which I never did. I think I've still got some stolen pieces of tailor's chalk.

Well said

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