Never Fully Dressed

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So an advert for Never Fully Dressed popped up on Facebook, featuring their Tara Flower Dress modelled by a man, his face is obscured but the picture is clearly male. Is there nowhere women can just buy stuff without being faced with male appropriation. Guess it’s another place to cross off my shopping list.

ITara Flower Dress

Controversial opinion.

I would wear the heck out of it.

(but I would not pay that much for it, as I too am a charity shop queen)

Now, unfortunately, we've all had to start being wary because it may well be a man that we are being expected to participate with in a belief system and political campaign without consent or care for impact on women. And at best it can be a major turn off because who wants to be bludgeoned with politics, and at worst in women's spaces it can involve fear and exclusion. And it means that diversity has been slammed into reverse.

While I wholly accept I was wrong in this case, I think part of it is exactly this wariness. In years home by it would never have occurred to me to question the second of a model wearing women’s clothes but now it does and I want to see women’s clothes on female bodies when I’m shopping. I don’t subscribe to gender ideology and don’t want to be faced with it when I’m buying a dress online or in person.

Bit since you can’t even tell which is a women’s body maybe you could just worry less about what might be under someone’s clothes in a bloody photograph!

There are plenty of real issues that we as a society face in order to both protect women and be inclusive of trans people

who models what dress literally doesn’t make any difference to your life but you wanted to froth up hate for people over it… why?

Roflmao. That’s what I thought. WTF’s wrong with your eyesight?

It does go to show though that if society is telling us that men can be women too, then some of us will see them where they are not.

It’s a natural instinct for us to assess danger. It’s how we protect ourselves and our children. And now we are being told that the male body can be presented to us as a female body, our instinct to protect is now including female body forms in our visual scans. Instead of disregarding them out of hand, we are now scrutinising them and picking up non-traditional body types. We are being taught to doubt the way we naturally assess danger. It’s a human instinct level thing we are messing with in society now.

That is a female.

As a gender abolitionist, let's make it OK fir men to wear dresses without calling it appropriation.

Besides, the existence of flamboyant/ dandy men is nothing new look how the aristocracy dressed in 18th century for example

Plus the woman in the picture is a woman

I wonder how much damage 'gender inclusivity' is doing to women's collective psyche?

Errors like the OP's demonstrate how women are now living with a higher level of distrust and uncertainty that all the things that were once women's own are now being re-engineered to include men.

And berating women for being anxious or worried about the loss of their spaces, words, and stuff is fucking appalling, frankly.

Ooh lord that dress is fugly. And being 100% polyester it's going to be unbearably sweaty any time the weather is nice enough for you to be showing that much cleavage.

I'm talking about clothing

Men can wear dresses if they want to in my book

By making it weird it doesn't further the GC cause and especially the notion that clothes don't equal your sex

Now, unfortunately, we've all had to start being wary because it may well be a man that we are being expected to participate with in a belief system and political campaign without consent or care for impact on women.

By that logic men should get pissy whenever trousers are modelled by a woman.

I don't think (I hope) that most people on here give a shit if men wear dresses. Even if they do I really hope most people accept that what the general public choose to wear is not a acceptable subject for government to legislate on or organisations to have policies about.

The campaign against self-ID is about laws and policies to protect women's rights and to allow women's organisations to set boundaries. Yes women are right to be upset and worried but lets focus that on the right areas.

Why not allow lighter skinned people darken their skin and present as the ethnicity they identify as?

Light skinned people darken their skin all the time. Pretending to be (for example) black as a result would be wrong.

That's literally the point being made by the people saying men wearing dresses is fine but that doesn't make a man into a woman.

Men wearing dresses/make up and claiming that makes them a woman who should be allowed in women's spaces = bad

Men wearing dresses/make up and being a man in a dress/make up and using mens spaces = fine.

I thought it was a male chest, not just the lack of breast, but more the presence of muscle. On closer look I wasn’t sure.
Love the dress though.

That's not what I said is it.

A man wearing a dress and makeup isn't "presenting as a woman" though. Clothing is not biology.

Anyone old enough to remember the 90s band James all dressed in dresses in the cover of the album Laid?

Back in ye olden days when a man wearing a dress was still just a man wearing a dress?

God how I long for those days

Appropriation my arse

I don't have a problem with cultural fashion influences.

I can wear a kimono doesn't mean I'm Japanese

Unless female children are born wearing makeup it is clearly not the same thing.

People doing black face are doing it to pretend to be black. Usually, AFAIK, to mock or belittle black people.

Men wearing a dress and make up because they like dresses and make up are just men wearing dresses and make up because they like them.

The same as I wear dresses because I like them.

Why can't you understand that very simple difference?

Cos she wants an argy