Wild Wanderers Women Only - Official inclusively statement

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Is anyone on the above Facebook page?

It seems one person is jumping up and down about inclusivity and so the admin have created a post about how it’s a women’s group that welcomes all women, as well as anyone non-binary or who identifies as a woman.

But still definitely not men! Unless they say they’re not a man, in which case they can join.

But not if they’re a gay man, a bisexual man or an asexual man.
100%, absolutely not those types of man. Unless they say they’re not a man, which then makes them a woman………….

If anyone here could add some balance. Which some brave women (myself included) are doing……..

The admin are tolerating questions asked by those who are ‘confused’ about what a woman is, if it’s not a person with a vagina, but are blocking anyone saying penis-havers are men!!

The gymnastics involved with things like this, are enough to put Olga Korbutt to shame! :-/

I left that group so won’t rejoin.

I suspect that the only thing that will open eyes is people leaving that group and expressly saying they’re leaving due to it no longer being a female only group.

They hold festivals which single mothers/solo female travellers go to with their children, expecting them to be women only spaces……… I can’t imagine they will sell many tickets if they become women only and anyone else who fancies……..

One of the (many) things that boils my piss about all this insanity, is the way TRA target any & every women’s group they can. Not because they want to go wild walking, or womens aquaobics or all women uni cycling but because they just cannot bear for women to have anything for themselves. All the activities they want to do have mixed sex equivalents but they don’t want to go to them, they want women not to have their own things

imagine how incredibly self absorbed, petty & small minded you have to be to behave like that

When you all repeatedly say ‘they’, about trans rights activists, who are you referring to, exactly? You know many TRAs are cis-women, surely, so you’re essentially saying ‘women don’t want women to have their own things’?

as for the OP- you do understand that gay men don’t identify as women, don’t you?

seriously, coming here to encourage people to go to the Facebook page and pile on, and you’re so certain you’re on the right side.

1. cis is offensive which you’ve been told before but still persist in ignoring
2. yep internalised misogyny created pick me cool girls - they're still wrong

You mean you’re offended. I accept your right to be offended, just like you should accept my right to be offended by your accusation of ‘internalised misogyny’- won’t get us very far though.

Just to be clear - a group with the word "Only" in its name has decided it needs to be inclusive? Um...

Ah… this you?! medium.com/intersection/for-those-triggered-by-the-word-cisgender-d80d4b22d0d3

I think @Chuffaluffa is right. Many women don't seem to want women to have penis-free spaces & penis-free activities.

How they ever got into that way of thinking is one of life's great mysteries

They're being "kind", I think
They don't notice that kindness seems to be a one-way street.

Because apparently now everyone has a very basic understanding on the meaning of inclusion- “inclusivity” now mean everyone should be allowed to access every group/service/place.

The thing is, is that these so-called 'cis' women who are TRAs can't consent on behalf of every woman.

Have you heard of the #metoo movement?
It was not just about rape and other forms of sexual abuse but about what you would probably call a minor aggression - a male wandering in to a women's toilet gushing about the brand of lipstick a woman was quietly applying. A stroke on the shoulder in the office or in the pub. All of these things about breaking down women's boundaries. Causing a feeling of anxiety, discomfort.

There were many women saying this wasn't a problem, these same women were defending males who other women had said had not raped them but said they hadn't done that to them, and so these males were lovely.

TRA females canNOT provide consent to giving away our spaces on behalf of our whole sex. ONE single woman can raise her hand and say NO and that should be enough for men and transwomen to back off, say yes to that woman.

One person's pile on is another person's protest against oppression. This is not a women's group and it's not great to pretend there are all these places for women when many women feel unable to go them because of the men there.

A mixed sex group remains mixed sex no matter how much you shout at women to pretend that the men aren't men.

Agree.

When you all repeatedly say ‘they’, about trans rights activists, who are you referring to, exactly? You know many TRAs are cis-women, surely, so you’re essentially saying ‘women don’t want women to have their own things’?

No 1: there isn't any such thing as "cis-women", women only come in one sex

No 2: there have always been women who throw other women under the bus on behalf of male people

They don't notice that kindness seems to be a one-way street.

They're not particularly aware or observant.

There were many women saying this wasn't a problem, these same women were defending males who other women had said had not raped them but said they hadn't done that to them, and so these males were lovely.

Indeed. Female rape apologism is definitely a thing.

I’ve just been told that women are selfish and they want all the spaces for themselves and there are plenty of places for abused women to go and be abused together, so stop trying to take all the spaces!!!

This made me laugh so much after feeling annoyed for a while.

Thats enough social media for one day!!!

The most revolting example I have seen of this is a trans identified male joining an infertility group on FB.

Equally repugnant were the fawning handmaidens who were all over this delusional misogynist.

Also seen them in menopause and period groups, similarly fussed over by simpering females.

And nothing wrong with that. If you as a female feel the need to get your kit off in front of male strangers to make them happy, or to pander and enable them in women's activities and fantasies about menopause and miscarriage, crack right on. In mixed sex women's groups. With the female only group down the hall. And women choose whether they consent to be involved or not.

The only issue is the absolute refusal to let other women have boundaries or refuse consent to be involved in male people's needs and activities, or to let male people use them and their lives for the male person's agenda and benefit.

Treat women with equal consideration to that poured on to male people and the problem's over.

Except that male people make clear over and over - the women who want to be with them and be involved will not do. The target is always the women who say no and want their own space, privacy, cannot access a mixed sex activity or space. And at that point it moves from 'let's find answers that work for all because everyone matters' to 'stop being a misogynist dick'.

Yes, go away abused women, stop taking all the space, with your trauma

I am in that group, but I will leave. I can’t be bothered flouncing and telling them why, they can have their views and I disagree with them.

I just don’t understand why so many actual women are falling over themselves to embrace biological men as women. I mean sure, be an inclusive group but be honest about it.