Chucked out of FB group - Host a Sister

[Patty2012]

So, I got kicked out of a FB group today. It's called 'Host a Sister'. It's basically couch-surfing for women, but it's also something that's been used by women fleeing war-torn areas or domestic violence. The whole group is intended to be a safe space for women who travel and who would like to be hosted by other women - for obvious reasons.
A "queer, non-binary" couple - one woman, one man - otherwise known as a straight couple - were looking for somewhere to stay in Amsterdam. they looked pretty alternative and explained they were into the party scene. They came across as decent people. There must have been a few comments about one of them being a man though because the admin complained about how mean people were being, how offensive and how it was supposed to be an inclusive group and a safe space for women to travel. Hundreds and hundreds of women in the group agreed with the admin. And I just don't get it. So, I said so. And boom! Kicked out.
How can these women not see it? How can they not see that predatory men need only say they're trans or non-binary to gain access to their homes? Or that they could be travelling and end up being tricked into staying in a man's house. This is why the group was created in the first place! I don't understand it. And there's no debate. I raised a concern and was ousted from the group. Why can't we just talk about it? Why don't those women know what the word "sister" means? Where are we going with this? It feels like the battle is already lost.
AND - this is turning into a waffling rant - a few weeks ago, someone who I considered a very close friend - a man - texted me to ask me why I seemed to be so obsessed with women who have penises these days. I just replied, "There's no such thing as a woman with a penis" and he hasn't spoken to me since. We're CLOSE friends. And it's over. He's a big leftie - as am I - but doesn't seem to have put any thought into this. He just sees me as being unkind. I don't know what to do about it. Why would I suddenly be unkind? He KNOWS me. He KNOWS I'm not unkind.

Host A Random Stranger would be the inclusive option.

Top trolling. It’s a group for women.

It's a group for women, specifically female travellers seeking a safe female only place in an unfamiliar country.
Any woman who has been on any kind of couch surfing site or done a lot of travelling knows that men try to take advantage. And it's constant.
I've had it myself as a young woman and it's scary.
You're alone and isolated and in a country where you don't know anyone.
But you're right about one thing, that group is not 'inclusive', by including any male person who wants to be in it, it means that it's not inclusive of those very women who need a 'sister' in the first place.
Once again, you end up with a male dominated place where women are shamed for saying no, aren't allowed to choose only places they feel secure, and aren't permitted to complain about feeling unsafe.
I'm so tired of this sexist nonsense.

😂

This isn't the only thread @maddy68 is dropping her ridiculous thoughts onto.

God how depressing. I went to join that facebook group and they ask a question to the effect of do you identify as a woman? I could not join any group that asked that.

‘AND - this is turning into a waffling rant - a few weeks ago, someone who I considered a very close friend - a man - texted me to ask me why I seemed to be so obsessed with women who have penises these days. I just replied, "There's no such thing as a woman with a penis" and he hasn't spoken to me since. We're CLOSE friends. And it's over. He's a big leftie - as am I - but doesn't seem to have put any thought into this. He just sees me as being unkind. I don't know what to do about it. Why would I suddenly be unkind? He KNOWS me. He KNOWS I'm not unkind.’

I’m coming to think that in the end penis owners nearly always sympathise with and promote the interests of other penis owners, over the interests and even safety of non penis owners. Even if the penis owners say their penises are lady dicks.

And this is exactly my point.

No listening or debate

Fwiw. I agree with many of the points raised. I understand that biology doesn't change. But it's more complex than that isn't it?

A person born with a penis is male, a person A vagina both for the purpose of reproduction.

But something is different. The person with a penis wants a relationship with someone else with a penis. .
Are you saying because that's the" biological " make up that being homosexual is wrong ?

Are you saying that a person with penis can't hate it and want to become a woman. With all those complexities that that entails?

You see where I am going with this ?

To me neither are wrong

Your argument isn't wrong either. But can be very damaging to someone going through any of that. But of course I'm the one with ridiculous comments because it doesn't fit your idiology

So you instantly shut down the debate you crave

Are you saying that a person with penis can't hate it and want to become a woman. With all those complexities that that entails?

No one is saying that someone can’t WANT to be of the opposite sex.
But it’s impossible to fulfil want.

I want to be 24.
That want doesn’t mean I can have a Young Person’s Rail Card.

Of course that want can be fulfilled or at least a large way towards That's why they have surgery and hormone treatment

If you want to be 24 You can also have cosmetics surgery , botox , make up etc.

I agree with this. Totalitarian. “We believe in freedom of speech and we are liberal and tolerant of all those views that totally align with the right way to think, which is ours…”
I struggle with people being so accepting of this shutting down of debate, whatever they feel about the trans issue, can’t they see the danger in this precedent?
Or the danger in being forced to deny reality and truth ?

Of course that want can be fulfilled or at least a large way towards That's why they have surgery and hormone treatment.

If you want to be 24 You can also have cosmetics surgery , botox , make up etc

To appear 24. Not be* 24. She still doesn't get that young persons' railcard

*probably doesn't even appear it, unless you think Kylie is in her twenties.

Most people think the same way you do OP. More people are speaking out. Virtue signallers like your friend are going to switch sides soon because they also believe the same as you do but are too scared to say so at the moment.

But I’ll still be 46 and the person in your example will still be a man 🤷‍♀️

Humans can’t change sex and time doesn’t go backwards.

What you appear to be referring to is internalised homophobia though. That’s the issue to be tackled. You can’t change sex so there is nothing to discuss

It’s a host A sister group.

Maybe the male/female couple should feel they’re not included.

The problem with these TRA types is that they are literally only interested in themselves and forcing everyone else to centre their groups around their wants.

And there you are to tell anyone objecting to that that they deserve to be excluded for making a mixed sex couple feel ‘marginalised’. 🙄

No matter how trendy a name you decide to use to describe your relationship, you are still a standard couple where one is biologically male and the other biologically female. It’s incredible the extent to which straight couples are willing to appropriate the idea of being marginalised or excluded. These couples are using the cover of LGB rights to get what they want. That’s awful.

frankly, they should be utterly ashamed of their behaviour.

When friend says about why are you suddenly talking about those women with penises? The response is why are you suddenly saying that some women have penises? Who's told you to say that? It's not like people are all just suddenly independently thinking "some women have penises" in the last few years. People have told them to say that.

"Why target a group called ‘host a sister’"

Read this and after you have got over the first reaction of, "Yeah! This is their fantasy! Ha ha ha!!!" think about all the real life examples we know about, in addition to the ones in the article.

This is what we are up against - for "TERFs" read "women, any women, ALL women"

Resisting TERF’s and Transforming Their Organizations

archive.is/queeratxlaura.wordpress.com/2020/05/27/resisting-terfs-and-transforming-their-organizations/

“They were open about who they were”

But it is now obvious that within the group, men are now allowed. The next man may not be open about it. What happens when a woman opens her door and finds a man on her doorstep who insists he’s a woman and expects to be allowed access?

Especially given the evidence from prisons that suggests that men who claim they are women are more likely to be sex offenders than other men.

Twice this week I've come across 'women and non-binary people'. One in relation a contact sport, the other a holiday retreat. No explanation of what non-binary means in either of these contexts - someone who's male but doesn't want to be called a man or someone who's female and doesn't want to be called a woman? And what makes it appropriate for an NB male to play a contact sport against women? What on earth do they have in common?

well done to the surfer for speaking out!

Exactly this.

They won't engage because they have no argument - we've seen this over and over again.

As soon as logic, biology, science and common sense are brought into it their whole house of straw is blown away. They can't maintain the facade without shutting contradictory opinions down.

Touche!

This is a huge part of it. Any strange man who turns up on a woman's doorstep expecting that she let him in or or be publicly shamed is displaying a massive red flag.
He's making it clear that he feels entitled to override any 'no'.
Any male person who actually respects women would never put a woman in that situation.

Ha - I’m admin of a really large Facebook group with thousands of members they can fuck off!