Brendan O'Neill - Spiked

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Another article here

I think the implication is that he might infect us with wrongthink. Or that this is evidence that all his opinions are rubbish?

Actually I'm not sure

I was thinking about this earlier.

I reckon I would probably agree with some opinions of every single person, living or dead, on the planet.

I would probably also disagree with some opinions of every single person, living or dead, on the planet.

As I am not a monk living in solitude atop a mountain I will have to accept the fact that most people don't agree on bloody everything! So I don't let it stop me talking to them, or reading their stuff.

Thirded!

I've never considered myself to be a feminist and am also in agreement with @7Worfs Worf

As for mulvaney, you'd think having paid all that money for his plastic
surgery, ( which doesn't make him look any different, imo ) that they'd have done something about his eyes. I've never seen so many lines on the face of a 25/26 year old.
And jeffrey, is just scary! Certainly not someone i would trust within 100 miles of kids!
I'm not sure that i'll actually ever forgive Odins Men, for bringing those 2 characters to my attention, to be fair!

Has anyone seen any footage of pre transition Mulvaney? I had assumed that Mulvaney already had those gestures and mannerisms before he decided he was a trans woman. Same with someone like Blair White.

On Dylan’s own YouTube channel.

I agree.

Yes. It's good old fashioned western world colonization

Hostile take over, silence and disempower the natives, ban their culture and language and enforce enactment of the obviously superior beliefs of the colonisers, hang a few as an example to the rest about any ideas of rebellions, and then take and indoctrinate the kids before they learn the old, backward, heathen ways of the indigenous

This is brilliant!

Dylan is actually a really good tap dancer.

Whether the trans thing is sincere or not, I find it quite sad that someone who clearly has spent time putting the work in to acquire a genuinely difficult physical skill has somehow landed up playing, to quote Germaine Greer, a ‘ghastly parody’, getting invasive surgery for likes, whilst sponsored by Tampax.

So, same shtick different outfit! very look at me me me

I completely reject your point of view that I should form judgements based on who said something, rather than on the quality of their arguments.

I tend to find that people who take your stance have no convincing counter arguments of their own. Attacking the messenger, not the message, is all they have.

Or maybe one can’t tell if they are left or right because they form their views based on the merits of each case, as they see it?

I mean, no one can tell if I am left or right from my views either. And frankly, neither can I anymore.

I feel absolutely no need to create opinions for myself to enable me to join a left or right tribe. And I think the world would be a lot saner if fewer people did.

That's a very good point.

I'm neither left- nor right-leaning as I evaluate each issue on its own merits. I wish I could vote that way, too.

Mulvaney on some game show pre the current grift (January 2021) - and all the same OTT squealing and dancing around.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eOQbCTCB5-A

Ella Whelan’s Question Time episode is up on YouTube now:

Maybe we’re supposed to disavow her for working for Spiked, too? I dunno, I’m not good at keeping up with the constant amendments in The Real Feminist rule books…

I didn't say it wasn't a good piece - just that he's as likely to argue the opposite if the winds change tomorrow. He's a professional contrarian and those people are dangerous - even the ones who (unlike B O'N, who knows exactly what he's doing) who think they're just stirring things up a bit, Puck-like - keeping things interesting.

Besides, there are lots of good pieces (by, for eg, actual feminists who aren't going to throw women under a bus if that's what 'counterintuitive and disruptive' looks like tomorrow) that we could be celebrating; this feels like the kind of gratitude for a bit of male critical attention which characterises some corners of the GC landscape.

Anyone who had anything to do with the RCP in the 80s will understand my unwillingness to pat O'Neill on the back for anything.

You do realise you're speaking to adults?

You think adulthood is a guarantee of.. well, anything at all?

Taxes

Ha ha I was going to say that and then I thought some fucker will point out unwaged labour 😁

He's a professional contrarian and those people are dangerous

”People who speak out against current (oppressive) dogma, risking their livelihood and sometimes safety, are too dangerous to be allowed to continue, as people might listen to them”

Do you even hear yourself?

😁

So no real change to mannerisms. I know that's not the look he's going for but I think DM comes across more like a very camp man than a parody of a women. I don't really find him any more offensive than any other high profile man who claims to be a woman.

Anyone who had anything to do with the RCP in the 80s will understand my unwillingness to pat O'Neill on the back for anything.

He’s in his 40s! He was at primary school in the 80s 🤣

Christ on a cracker I hope we have the good grace to let the little blue haired gender blob kids grow up without still holding the youthful idiocy of student politics against them in their middle aged years.

Right, so we're not supposed to say it's a good article because he might change his mind tomorrow? Or we can agree that it's a well written article but we should discard what he says because you had some beef with him 49 years ago?

I mean I've read some pretty weak arguments here over the years but those really are feeble @WinterDeWinter

Yes I do - and that's a laughable translation of what I said.

Which was: You can't trust Brendan O'Neill as far as you can throw him, so why are we celebrating him when we are really just grist to his mill.

For clarity, in the simplest terms: Many, many women and men are speaking out against current oppressive dogma. I like them. I don't like B O'N. 😁