Tiffany Scott 'not a threat' - justice minister

[ArabellaScott]

These people are stark raving mad.

'"This changes on a regular basis but it is my understanding there are no transgender women in the female estate that have violence against women convictions.'

Fucking WHAT?!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64431383

I want them to categorically come out and say that they would be HAPPY for their own daughters/wives/nieces to share a cell with these prisoners.
Let's hear them say that clearly.

That they would sleep well at night knowing their loved one was sharing a cell and facilities with a violent sexual male offender.

Also...

WHERE THE FUCK are all the TRA apologists on these threads?
Where are you all?

Could it be that even YOU lot know you cannot defend the indefensible?

Let's hear from you!
Seems you don't have much to say on these threads?

TWAW right?

‘Violence against women CONVICTIONS’ is doing a lot of work here.

Maybe they mean that because Dolatowski is CURRENTLY in prison for violence against a man, previous convictions and behaviour aren’t taken into account.

Rather than dealing with the (real) threat of violence in the male estate, and legal action from Dolatowski, it’s just easier to move him to a women’s prison. The right of female prisoners not to be abused doesn’t feature in the calculation. They just have to move over to solve a problem caused by men.

What's with dickie's yellow duster? Is it to signify 'woman'?

twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1619755562035724289

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They're legally women, so again, he is technically correct. More verbal sleight of hand.

Yup. According to Kate Coleman there are still violent TW in the female estate in Scotland so KB’s careful choice of words are completely disingenuous.

Kate Colman on LBC.

twitter.com/LBC/status/1619978544330821633

I notice government ministers are now referring to these offenders as 'violent men', so not in fact women then. But surely if they say they're women, then they are? Does violence strip them of womanhood? Ergo, if I punch someone, am I a man and will I be sent to a male prison? - what a feckin mess

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23285107.keith-brown-gender-bill-wont-reviewed-women-only-spaces/

'THE Gender Recognition Reform Bill will not be reviewed to give more protections to women's spaces, according to Scotland's Justice Secretary Keith Brown.'

We have to push back against the idea that the main issue is rapists in women's prisons. That abomination is great to get people's attention, but it is only the most egregious result of a cruel, misogynistic policy. There should be no males in women's prisons, regardless of identity claims, surgery, the nature of the offence or possession of a GRC. That last one might be controversial with some but in my view, placing males with GRCs in the female estate is the thin end of a wedge. Ideally no male prison staff interacting directly with female inmates either.

Totally agree. No muddying of the waters. Males belong in Mens prisons.

pointing to that abomination

'"The bill was passed by democratically by the Scottish Parliament. It is not Nicola Sturgeon's bill, it's not my bill, it is not the SNP's bill. It was a bill passed by parties in the Scottish Parliament," he said.'

This is true. Men in women's prisons is only one part of this mess.

And this issue ALSO applies to E&W, where the details are different, but the basic fact remains - the single sex exceptions in the EA are not being upheld.

Men are being given the green light to use women's spaces; in hospitals, in prisons, in changing rooms and in schools.

Risk or no risk why should vulnerable women be forced to shower naked in front of men with erections, as Amanda Benson was?

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ex-prisoner-shaking-fear-sharing-29075541

Changed name in order to comment on this.

I have trans friends. They have changed after a lot of counselling and preparation, and after going through hell living in their original genders. And they haven't done it lightly or quickly.

The fact that both Isla Burns and 'Tiffany' Johnson transitioned either just after or while on remand for crimes against women really points to the fact that they have done this simply to play the system, and in an attempt to be near women.

I wonder how long they will maintain their new identities when denied a fresh pool of victims.

I am also worried for women in Scotland if their government goes ahead with its Gender Recognition Bill. Because their own laws will allow men to change gender - possibly even when on bail for crimes against women - without any way of stopping them. These cases are just showing up the flaws in their plans.

And for those that say 'well it's the same as having other members of the LGBTQ+ population in prisons as they might be attracted to other women / men in the population' - no, it isn't. They are usually still their birth gender and have always been that sexuality, they are not exploiting the fact that gender reassignment is becoming more accepted and available.

I agree with what the previous head of the Scottish prison service said - hold trans prisoners in specific units, away from the mainstream prison population. This is even more necessary if they have been convicted of violent or sexual offences, regardless of the gender of their victims.

Politicians need to decide whether British women in prison are entitled to any kind of dignity and safety, or whether they have zero rights. If they want to turn British prisons like the kind we see in America, I’m moving to Dubai.

reduxx.info/exclusive-female-inmate-reports-rape-occurred-in-california-womens-prison/

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-trans-inmates-in-scotlands-female-jails-violent-towards-women-6dp68qfpm

'Keith Brown told BBC Radio Scotland that a decision on Scott’s placement “wasn’t taken” and has not been given approval from the risk management authority, adding: “There is so much in the public domain which is incorrect.”'

Yes, Keith. Much of it is your own work.

WHERE THE FUCK are all the TRA apologists on these threads?
Where are you all?

Could it be that even YOU lot know you cannot defend the indefensible?

Let's hear from you!
Seems you don't have much to say on these threads?

TWAW right?

Not on this thread but here are some transwomen getting very angry about transwomen sex offenders not being allowed in the female estate, and the fact that under UK law, a cis (sic) woman can't commit rape.

www.reddit.com/r/transgender/comments/10m2f2c/glasgow_trans_woman_convicted_of_rape_will_not_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

That's the problem when you lie, especially when it's a huge lie. Reality keeps stepping in to bite you on the arse.

Confirms what we all thought really

This, for example, Keith:

'Brown added that, in exceptional circumstances, a trans woman could be moved to a female prison, but that would require the approval of Scottish ministers before a decision is taken.'

Why then did Sturgeon say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=k-0jOVx9sVg

Do ministers have to approve each trans prisoner's placement or not?

Either it's 'an operational decision' and entirely in the hands of the SPS, which I believe was Brown's position last week; or it's something that has to be approved by Ministers.

Are they washing their hands of the matter, or clutching at straws?

They're legally women, so again, he is technically correct. More verbal sleight of hand.

You think he's defining "transgender women" to exclude penispeople with GRCs? I suppose now you say it, it's totally possible there's a footnote in a briefing document somewhere which allows him to get away with this, on the basis that if you can't measure a thing it doesn't exist.

And for those that say 'well it's the same as having other members of the LGBTQ+ population in prisons as they might be attracted to other women / men in the population' - no, it isn't. They are usually still their birth gender and have always been that sexuality, they are not exploiting the fact that gender reassignment is becoming more accepted and available.

Also, the two populations just aren’t comparable. There are 668 men in Scottish prisons charged with rape or attempted rape. That is more double the entire number of women held in the female estate.

The number of women charged with sexual offences is unclear, but looks like less than 5 from the chart in this report.

www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-prison-population-statistics-2021-22/pages/7/

It should be glaringly obvious that Men and women’s prisons are very different in make up and size, but it’s not at all clear whether this is taken into account, either in policy or risk assessment.

twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1619755562035724289

And that's the "risk assessment" for men without GRCs! The ones with GRCs are given even less consideration. Fucking hell.

Interesting to see the lying to cover arses phase starting

Keith Brown is an absolutely odious man. He must either really hate women or be so power hungry he couldn't give a hoot about them. Perhaps it's both.