Elite sports people speaking up!

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There seems to be an increasing number of sports people speaking up about the problem of males completing in women's sports which is positive. Thought it might be useful to have a thread of those who are risking sticking their heads above the parapet. Obviously the likes of Sharon Davies, Mara Yamauchi and Martina Navratilova have been bravely doing this for sometime but now we appear to have a few current athletes as well who are prepared to risk the mob to ensure women have fair competition. Is it too much to hope for that there will be a snowball effect?

Tough shit Josh,tough shit.

I really think that activists have changed so many meanings of words. Including ‘authentically’.

This is a man telling women that their needs don’t matter as much as inclusion.

TRA’s views on “authenticity” is based on existential philosophy.

Whereas sport is based on biology.

It is a man telling women that their needs don't matter, but he's using the word 'inclusion' as a fig leaf for 'my self expression'.

It is a man telling women that they don't matter as much as his freedom to express himself by using them does.

I'm sure he's baffled as to why it could be that the male service units aren't enthusiastically embracing this. It's not like they have any life or relevance outside of male-enablement.

But Jones said: "An open category is essentially just a different label being used for the men's category. It does not respect people's identity. It denies that transgender women are women."

Correct Mr Jones transwomen are not women.

Sanctimonious men who push for other males to be permitted to call themselves women and invade women's single sex spaces are vile. Several men of my acquaintance have disappointed me profoundly in that regard.

But he's explaining it, isn't he.

Women, their resources, their lives, their sports, their main requirement is that they be used to validate men's identities.

It really is this belief that wtf else would women's lives be for other than respecting and enabling men. The misogyny isn't a bug.

Absolutely Frood, he has NO respect for women at all.

I hope people can open this. The UK and US are still divided by a common language. Interesting to hear Joanne Harper’s research, with their counter intuitive results, quoted.

Who Gets to Play in Women’s Leagues?
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/who-gets-to-play-in-womens-leagues?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_120223&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=tny_daily_digest&bxid=5bea0b6e2ddf9c72dc8cfc7e&cndid=49377309&hasha=8d5dbaaa57a507e2bd96366c07a28287&hashb=b315dcfb6225afc4d22eafc5ad9c5adb34a82917&hashc=a539211f009bddf78bac720dc44d522d67422f96753993dccfbd07630bf8a597&esrc=OIDC_SELECT_ACCOUNT_PAGE&mbid=CRMNYR012019

"The penis and clitoris exist along a spectrum of length"

I've heard it all now.

Proper science, there! 😃

So happy to see this...

https://twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1731215542772453507

Great interview with Lynne…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ueEdrd3HEk&feature=youtu.be

Another man taking women's sporting opportunities...

“There was a huge amount of disquiet,” Lightbody said. “But nobody was prepared to say or do anything. I was quite sick about the situation. We thought it would go against us, that we wouldn’t be picked for another team. Everything was hush-hush, everyone was worried about being called transphobic. People told me not to get involved, saying, ‘Don’t do anything, you’ll make yourself very unpopular’. But this just shouldn’t happen. It fundamentally isn’t fair.”

With women in croquet finally prepared to speak out, there is now pressure on the WCF to institute a policy that supports the integrity and fairness of women’s events. Fiona McAnena, director of sport at Fair Play for Women, said: “There are only a few women-only tournaments in croquet. Something has gone wrong when the women’s world champion is male. This isn’t about inclusion, it’s about validation – at women’s expense.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2023/12/13/croquet-world-championship-biological-male-jamie-gumbrell/

Archive

https://archive.ph/taWrS

"The effects of hormone-replacement therapy (H.R.T.) on athletic performance are poorly studied, but existing research on transgender athletes suggests that they vary from sport to sport. Data collected by Joanna Harper found that testosterone suppression was remarkably effective at removing a sex-based advantage in long-distance running, and data collected from the army fitness test found that two years of H.R.T. removed the advantage in pushups and situps, and halved the advantage in the mile-and-a-half run".

Quoting Harper's paper from what, two decades ago? And not the recent one where even Harper admits that advantages remain post HRT even after 3+ years and instead argues from a social perspective "their lives are so terrible they could never train 100%". And not quoting e.g. the Karolinska Institutet study from some years ago but instead some random army sample also from years ago that looked at a handful of army exercises.

That's a joke.

Everything is a spectrum now.

It's a tiny number of transwomen, they say, it will hardly effect anyone. But what happens when that tiny number of transwomen take all the top spots in women's sport?

'It's a tiny number' - there is acceptable collateral damage numbers of women to enable male self expression.

Fuck that.

Well done to Jamie Gumbrell, who at her first appearance, is our new GC Women’s World Champion.

https://worldcroquet.org/2023-golf-croquet-womens-world-championship/

Oh look, another male suddenly storming through to win on his first attempt in a major women’s competition.

I think it’s unlikely that males would have any particular physiological advantage over women, but it’s the whole bloody thing of women can’t have anything just for themselves without fucking entitled males stomping all over them.

Oh dear,whoever penned that article appears to have mistaken him for a woman.

I think it’s unlikely that males would have any particular physiological advantage over women

From the Telegraph article…

“Leading female players argue that Gumbrell, having gone through male puberty, carries immutable physiological advantages in golf croquet. Unlike association croquet, the sport incorporates elements of strength and stamina. “A key shot in golf croquet is the jump shot,” Lightbody explained. “If you’re on the boundary, you can jump over a couple of balls and get through a hoop. I can only do mid-jumps, I can’t do one from the baseline. But Jamie can. That is a huge advantage over a woman.”

https://www.outkick.com/teenage-boy-advances-to-worlds-after-winning-girls-irish-dancing-championships/

Just adding this the the thread. Riley Gaines is speaking out for all female Irish Dancers especially the 14 year old girls who is missing out on qualifying for the world championships. Awful. They are trying to erase women.

Ah, OK - the Telegraph article was paywalled and I cba to stick it through the archive thingy.

So golf croquet is different to traditional croquet?

This, imo, is a good article. Sums up where we are and how we got here

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/14/the-trans-colonisation-of-womens-sports/

Good piece.