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Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.

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TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 13:11

Quick background (to be expanded in a subsequent post): Back in 2016 IPSO issued some ‘guidance’ regarding the reporting of stories involving transgender individuals. This guidance, like transgender guidance introduced elsewhere (eg The Equal Treatment Benchbook for the judiciary) was pretty much entirely written by trans activists and implemented without consulting anyone else or thinking through the inevitable consequences (the road to hell really IS paved with good intentions).

The effect of this guidance has been the weirdly Orwellian news stories featuring unforgettable phrases such as ‘her penis’ and words that say she/her/ladyname and pictures that show obviously manly men.

Clearly, loads of journalists and opinion writers have been doing whatever they can to either highlight the absurdity (via the text/picture juxtaposition) or by skilfully avoiding pronouns/using surnames* as much as possible (much like we’ve done here) but it must be a source of constant frustration for those in the profession who went into it with the intention of speaking truth and have instead found themselves carefully wriggling around as close to the truth as it’s possible to get without their publication being hit with a huge fine.

Yesterday, Janice Turner tweeted that her column in today’s Times would refer to Adam-Isla Graham-Bryson using he/him pronouns.

This is a deliberate breach of the transgender guidelines and this must’ve been discussed and preapproved by Janice’s bosses at the Times.

Today, Amanda Platell’s Mail column also uses correct sex pronouns to refer to Adam Graham.

So that’s two obvious and deliberate IPSO breaches published in one day, both by female columnists, Janice Turner in the Times, Amanda Platell in the Mail.

(I also found this Julie Bindell one from a couple of days ago but it’s likely an online only article, and Mail Online aren’t IPSO compulsory compliant)

I doubt very much that two deliberate IPSO breaches on a single day is pure accident, and I like to imagine that there is some sort of tervern female journos whatsapp group where this has been discussed…

… so, who is next? Suzanne Moore at the Telegraph? Hadley Freeman at Sunday Times? Sarah Vine at The Mail? I bet they’ve all protested this Orwellian madness to their bosses many times. Which newspaper editors will be ready and willing to back their female writers?

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Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 17:11

SinnerBoy · 28/01/2023 17:02

Boiledbeetle · Today 15:46

Why should us women, any woman police our language to appease men like the one above who insults us and insists we indulge in their pretense that they are women whilst they insult us and use our spaces?

Well, quite. Robin reminds me of those kids at school, who would insult you relentlessly and when you finally snapped, "Piss off, spotty!" would run crying to the teachers and tell on you.

That's what it feels like when you return to a thread of deleted posts when certain posters throw their dummy out of the pram.

All though I am having fun currently writing posts that can't get deleted in some threads.

It definitely makes what you write have more creativity about it at least.

But the thing is if i want to have fun with my words then i will. It's the being forced to that really fucks me off!f

MEN CAN'T BE WOMEN. NO DEBATE.

BlueBooh · 28/01/2023 17:28

@Boiledbeetle I have book marked some of your posts in other threads to see if they were deleted!

It's so refreshing to able to use the correct pronouns and use the C word and the A word!

The tide is def turning and this thread is very informative and explains why so many newspapers say "her" penis.

I'd love to see the Mail do what a PP suggested and have the headline of being threatened by a million pound fine for using the "wrong" pronouns.

We're getting there ladies ... we're getting there!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 17:30

BlueBooh · 28/01/2023 17:28

@Boiledbeetle I have book marked some of your posts in other threads to see if they were deleted!

It's so refreshing to able to use the correct pronouns and use the C word and the A word!

The tide is def turning and this thread is very informative and explains why so many newspapers say "her" penis.

I'd love to see the Mail do what a PP suggested and have the headline of being threatened by a million pound fine for using the "wrong" pronouns.

We're getting there ladies ... we're getting there!

Ooh I'm glad someone is keeping track. I did go back and check some, but I've been in a shouty posting binge so had to give up and just hope for the best!

MoltenLasagne · 28/01/2023 18:42

Ooh hello, I was about to join in to say I'd been hoping these guidelines would be next for challenge and it seems a screenshot of one of my earlier posts is already here.

I am so backing these journalists and I hope there is some secret whatsapp group of support because what they're doing takes courage. It must have been so frustrating to be shut down on this - let the sunshine in.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 18:47

MoltenLasagne · 28/01/2023 18:42

Ooh hello, I was about to join in to say I'd been hoping these guidelines would be next for challenge and it seems a screenshot of one of my earlier posts is already here.

I am so backing these journalists and I hope there is some secret whatsapp group of support because what they're doing takes courage. It must have been so frustrating to be shut down on this - let the sunshine in.

Rather than your reputation proceeds you, it's appears your comments do!

Motorina · 28/01/2023 19:04

SinnerBoy · 28/01/2023 17:03

TheClogLady · Today 16:02

Celeb patron: Julie Hesmondhaigh, who played Hayley Cropper on coronation street from 1998...

Have you got any ideas as to why they had a real woman play a trans character?

Presumably to make the character convincingly female?

AnyFucker · 28/01/2023 19:05

Go, go, GO 😃

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 19:15

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/01/2023 17:07

Presumably the new rules hadn't caught up? The ones that say that no man or woman may ever play a trans character but transwomen and men can play men or women whenever they fancy? 🤡

TBF I don’t think there were any trans actors about in 1997? The handful of MtF transsexuals in the news were people like April Ashley, Fay Presto & Jan Morris.

Hesmondhaigh has said in interviews that Hayley was originally intended to be a figure of fun- a cheap joke at Roy’s expense (ie the only woman Roy could attract would be a pretend one - which is genuinely quite a horrible storyline) and it was Julie who wanted to make Hayley a fully-rounded character and engaged with PFC to better achieve that.
In hindsight it’s undeniable that having a female actress in the role worked well for the transactivists - it got their messaging out in front of the public in a very sympathetic way because of course trans MtF character Hayley Cropper convincingly ‘passed’ as a woman because the actor playing the character WAS AN ACTUAL WOMAN.

It meant they could shoehorn in all the political messaging without the public going ‘That Hayley person is a bit manly! She’s got a skull bigger than Roy’s!’
Having a woman play the role kept the cognitive dissonance caused by the concept of a ‘male woman’ to the absolute minimum.

Here’s the Annie Wallace video (I have a local copy saved now)

In the video Wallace explains the whole Corrie phenomena, how Hayley was so well liked that the public were writing to the government so ‘she’, Hayley, could get the legal right to marry ‘her’ Roy.

Wallace even verbally slips up up at one point in this interview, saying the Hayley character was a ‘big tool’ and then immediately self corrects to ‘big story’.

I’ll try and come back with the timestamps shortly but gotta cook dinner first.

The oddest part is at 44:00 where Wallace is in full flow re: Mermaids and Susie Green and children’s bodies and Gillick competence and the whole video suddenly cuts to an equivalent of the old TV test card, then comes back to a much more subdued Wallace saying ‘I’m just a soap actress’.

Wallace behaves very curiously throughout, randomly flipping back and forth from being a quite forceful character who speaks about politics and rights to a much sweeter, softer one, who says stuff like (paraphrasing) ‘I don’t anything controversial, I’m just a little wee thing, me, blending in and working at PC world and driving a little white car’

But it’s clear from the anecdotes told that Wallace has known loads of the major UK transactivists since the late 80s in MCR, so we’re talking Beaumont Society/Northern Concord era, when the seeds of all we’re dealing with now were sown

At one point, mid rant about media ‘disinformation’ Wallace is merrily mixing up Allison Bailey and Maya Forstater.
On first watch I thought it was an accident, but now I’m wondering if the telling of Allison’s story without Allison’s name attached is because Wallace doesn’t want anyone looking up Allison and discovering she is a black, working class, lesbian.
The bit that (and IANAL) comes closest to defamation is actually about LGB Alliance, who Wallace characterises as thinking that ‘trans people are icky’

Towards the end Wallace talks about how playing the Sally St Claire Hollyoaks character gives Wallace the chance to do some ‘Hayley Cropper magic’.

Here’s some of those magical storylines (I don’t watch Hollyoaks btw, so this is just from Google)

Sally the headteacher is subjected to a transphobic graffiti hate crime at the school

Sally is subjected to ‘radical misogyny’

Sally has secretly been looking out for the son Sally fathered pre-transition

Sally has to conceal a crime because Sally has no GRC and would have to go to a male prison

Sally goes to prison for a completely different incident (Sally was covering up for someone else and isn’t really an evil murderer at all, but a protective mother-martyr type 🙄)

Sally gets sent to the female estate where poor, vulnerable Sally is ‘hate crimed’ and hospitalised by biologically female prisoners.

‘Hayley Cropper Magic’ is very magical indeed.

Old MN thread from when the prison hate crime episode aired:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4291061-hollyoaks

Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
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TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 19:20

MoltenLasagne · 28/01/2023 18:42

Ooh hello, I was about to join in to say I'd been hoping these guidelines would be next for challenge and it seems a screenshot of one of my earlier posts is already here.

I am so backing these journalists and I hope there is some secret whatsapp group of support because what they're doing takes courage. It must have been so frustrating to be shut down on this - let the sunshine in.

Credit where credit is due!

Pinched this photo from another thread - a news stand in Scotland today.

(unlucky day for Kate but a good day for material reality’)

Come on, papers, let’s have all these stories written with truly factual accuracy. We’re getting so close - if you all go together and fight it all the way to court you could even completely bankrupt IPSO

That rapist is a man.
A man in a pink coat and cheap wig.

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MoltenLasagne · 28/01/2023 19:33

Come on, papers, let’s have all these stories written with truly factual accuracy. We’re getting so close - if you all go together and fight it all the way to court you could even completely bankrupt IPSO

I would love to know where IPSO gets the authority to force these newspapers to print lies. It's similar to the Bench Book isn't it? Change the rules under subterfuge and then damn everyone else. The Dentons guide truly is Machiavelli's Il Principe for the 21st century.

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2023 21:06

Great thread, something I’ve posted about a few times. Let’s have IPSO challenge them, the sunlight would be amazing.

With regards to the Guardian, they’re not signed up to ISPO. I looked this week to see if/how they were reporting it.

This was an article from Thursday:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/25/trans-woman-isla-bryson-guilty-raping-two-women-remanded-in-female-prison-scotland

You can see that “woman” and “she” are used in the headline, sub, and body of article. Not often but it’s there.

Then look at the article from Friday:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/26/trans-woman-isla-bryson-found-guilty-rape-not-be-held-in-womens-prison-sturgeon

Still using “trans woman” but no “she” in the article when referring to Graham.

Now look at Saturday’s article:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/27/trans-rapist-isla-bryson-prison-case-must-not-lead-to-blanket-rule-says-scottish-trans

No “trans woman”, apart from quoting others, but instead “transgender rapist”. And again no “she”.

So either there’s a quiet editorial reverse ferret going on or Libby Brooks is having none of it anymore.

LangClegsInSpace · 28/01/2023 21:36

Excellent news and excellent thread, thank you!

In the space of a week, TWANW after all and female journalists are saying no to preferred pronouns. All the wheels are falling off now.

Has anyone checked whether people who ID as trans still exist? I reckon they do.

LangClegsInSpace · 28/01/2023 21:41

I think I'm allowed to post this here but just in case I've put it in a separate post. For those who have not come across it before, this is well worth a read:

Pronouns Are Rohypnol
fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 21:53

And listening to a news programme watching a woman talk about a remark her male transgender co debator made and says "and he brought in the....."
Sarah you rock. And Robin? Well Robin was Robin.

Wonderful moment.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 22:10

They say she later on but... the bbc picture 🤣

Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
ErrolTheDragon · 28/01/2023 22:13

I note in those ipso guidelines
Have you taken care not to publish inaccurate or misleading information?

But this is likely to be the case given the earlier If known, have you used the pronouns the individual uses to describe themselves in your story? Etc.

The trans guidelines have until now lead to the very first clause in the overall editors guideline being broken regularly:

The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information or images, including headlines not supported by the text.

(Though some have used images which help redress the inaccurate, misleading and distorted information in the text, tbf)

https://www.ipso.co.uk/editors-code-of-practice

EdithStourton · 28/01/2023 22:18

Fab thread. All power to those journos standing up to be counted.

I have quote on my laptop, on the document I open whenever I want a blank doc formatted just how I want it, so I see it often:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Orwell, 1984

Little did I think, way back in the early 80s when I read 1984 that, here in the UK, I'd ever be expected to 'reject the evidence of my eyes and ears'.

Thank God that the tide finally seems to be turning.

TightFistedWozerk · 28/01/2023 22:31

Fab thread, thank you.

WarningToTheCurious · 28/01/2023 22:35

If Eddie Redmayne was forced to apologise for playing a trans character whilst not being trans himself, why didn’t Julie Hesmondhalgh get the same treatment?

(That’s a rhetorical question).

HipTightOnions · 28/01/2023 22:51

Wouldn't it be great if, say, Clive Myrie broke ranks on the BBC news?

BlueBooh · 28/01/2023 23:07

Excellent informative thread. Thanks I understand so much more now why misleading pronouns are used in the media.

WhiteFire · 28/01/2023 23:49

Reach Plc also own a lot of local papers too, some that used to be ok - Evening Gazette, The Chronicle (Newcastle), Liverpool Echo, (Birmingham) Evening Mail amongst them. I no longer trust any court report from them.

SinnerBoy · 29/01/2023 00:01

Motorina · Today 19:04

Presumably to make the character convincingly female?

Yes, I was being faux naive.

BlueBooh · 29/01/2023 00:19

Ooooo no mention of female pronouns and no mention of transwoman!!

They are being called pervert and transgender pervert!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687387/Nicola-Sturgeon-faces-calls-stop-transfer-pervert-stalked-teenage-girl-womens-prison.html

Well done Daily Mail!!

BlueBooh · 29/01/2023 00:21

My apologies one mention of she "Earlier this week, Isla Bryson was initially taken to Cornton Vale after being convicted of two rapes which took place when she was a man known as Adam Graham. "