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Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.

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TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 13:11

Quick background (to be expanded in a subsequent post): Back in 2016 IPSO issued some ‘guidance’ regarding the reporting of stories involving transgender individuals. This guidance, like transgender guidance introduced elsewhere (eg The Equal Treatment Benchbook for the judiciary) was pretty much entirely written by trans activists and implemented without consulting anyone else or thinking through the inevitable consequences (the road to hell really IS paved with good intentions).

The effect of this guidance has been the weirdly Orwellian news stories featuring unforgettable phrases such as ‘her penis’ and words that say she/her/ladyname and pictures that show obviously manly men.

Clearly, loads of journalists and opinion writers have been doing whatever they can to either highlight the absurdity (via the text/picture juxtaposition) or by skilfully avoiding pronouns/using surnames* as much as possible (much like we’ve done here) but it must be a source of constant frustration for those in the profession who went into it with the intention of speaking truth and have instead found themselves carefully wriggling around as close to the truth as it’s possible to get without their publication being hit with a huge fine.

Yesterday, Janice Turner tweeted that her column in today’s Times would refer to Adam-Isla Graham-Bryson using he/him pronouns.

This is a deliberate breach of the transgender guidelines and this must’ve been discussed and preapproved by Janice’s bosses at the Times.

Today, Amanda Platell’s Mail column also uses correct sex pronouns to refer to Adam Graham.

So that’s two obvious and deliberate IPSO breaches published in one day, both by female columnists, Janice Turner in the Times, Amanda Platell in the Mail.

(I also found this Julie Bindell one from a couple of days ago but it’s likely an online only article, and Mail Online aren’t IPSO compulsory compliant)

I doubt very much that two deliberate IPSO breaches on a single day is pure accident, and I like to imagine that there is some sort of tervern female journos whatsapp group where this has been discussed…

… so, who is next? Suzanne Moore at the Telegraph? Hadley Freeman at Sunday Times? Sarah Vine at The Mail? I bet they’ve all protested this Orwellian madness to their bosses many times. Which newspaper editors will be ready and willing to back their female writers?

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highame · 28/01/2023 13:15

House of cards......what an interesting week this is turning out to be

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 13:16

Here’s the list of IPSO member publications to watch over the coming days:

compulsory scheme:

The following publications have agreed to participate in the compulsory IPSO arbitration scheme. This means they must accept any genuine arbitration claim.

Reach Plc

Daily Mirror
Sunday Mirror
Sunday People
Daily Express
Sunday Express
Daily Star
New!
OK!
Star Magazine

Telegraph Media Group

The Daily Telegraph
The Sunday Telegraph
The Weekly Telegraph

News UK

The Sun
The Times
The Sunday Times
The Times Literary Supplement

Associated Newspapers

Daily Mail
The Mail on Sunday
Metro

(Please note that Mail Online and Metro.co.uk are not participating in the scheme)

Voluntary scheme

The following publications are members of a voluntary scheme. This means anyone can request to arbitrate but the publisher is not obliged to do so.

Conde Nast Publications Limited

Brides
Conde Nast Johansens
Conde Nast Traveller
Glamour
GQ
GQ Style
House and Garden
Love
Tatler
The World of Interiors
Vanity Fair
Vogue
Wired

The Press Association has also joined as a participating publication. The Press Association creates content for newspapers, websites, broadcasters and magazines, rather than publishing its own titles. We are able to refer arbitration claims to the Press Association in relation to its content regardless of where it appeared.

www.ipso.co.uk/arbitration/participating-publications/

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KCandtheSunlightBand · 28/01/2023 13:21

I think it would serve us well if the publishers do get a rap across the knuckles, which will allow them to rehash/refer to the facts all over again. Should they not be cautioned then it gives the green light for all publications to use the correct sexed pronouns.

NecessaryScene · 28/01/2023 13:22

This means they must accept any genuine arbitration claim.

Bring it on.

The counterpoint is of course calling men women or she fails to uphold other IPSO principles about "the publication of inaccurate, distorted or misleading information".

Check our Sex Matters recent seminar on media guidance here:

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 13:23

Direct link to the Transgender IPSO Guidance:

www.ipso.co.uk/media/1275/guidance_transgender-reporting.pdf

(we started talking about this subject over on this thread last night, I’m copying some stuff over so apologies for any repetition, just trying to keep the place nice and tidy)

Tagging in @shydinosaur so she doesn’t miss the thread.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/01/2023 13:24

(I also found this Julie Bindell one from a couple of days ago but it’s likely an online only article, and Mail Online aren’t IPSO compulsory compliant)

It was in the paper, not just the online version

Datun · 28/01/2023 13:30

Bring it on.

Yep. Let's 'ave it.

Let's take this all the way to the wire, all the wires, and all the times you need to take it to the same wire.

BlueBooh · 28/01/2023 13:30

I hate more than anything the she/her pronouns to describe male sex attackers. Why can't they use they/them or as NS slyly did use "the prisoner".

YouJustDoYou · 28/01/2023 13:35

The Daily Fail lately have been slipping a LOT. There's been a few articles where they use he for a "transwoman" then "remember" further in the article and use "she". I think they're doing it on purpose, especially with the sex attackers (only a male can rape by law).

Time to stop pandering to fake transwomen.

beastlyslumber · 28/01/2023 13:36

Yes, the incorrect use of pronouns is part of the problem and really needs to stop.

It makes such a difference in people's minds saying "transwoman" compared to "male who claims to be a woman." A lot of people think a "transwoman" is a female who claims to be a man.

picklemewalnuts · 28/01/2023 13:37

Ooh excellent!

Lovely sunny days ahead, whatever happens!

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 13:37

Nick Timothy slightly broke the rules here on 22 Jan:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

"In other words, trans women with a certificate must always be treated as women: allowed into single-sex spaces, such as changing rooms, prisons and schools; permitted to provide intimate care to female health patients; sanctioned to participate in women-only domestic violence shelters and rape crisis centres. With no meaningful safeguards stopping men acquiring the necessary certificates, and with them the right to enter women-only spaces, the scope for abuse is clear."

And here:

"There are already cases of violent male offenders held in female prisons and rapists who identify as women in court."

Susan Dalgety in the Scotsman (not sure what scheme they come under):

"most reasonable Scots had been piqued by the sight of rapist Graham, his shaven head and face tattoo hidden by a cheap blonde wig, masquerading as a woman."

And:

"His self-declared transition from male to female had only come after he was charged with double rape in 2020, forcing the judicial system to refer to his genitalia as “her penis”. Graham, dragging a pink trolley case into court every day, became the face of extreme gender ideology and the public did not like what they saw."

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-rapist-isla-brysons-removal-from-cornton-vale-womens-prison-must-mean-the-end-of-nicola-sturgeons-policy-of-self-id-susan-dalgety-4004042

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 13:37

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/01/2023 13:24

(I also found this Julie Bindell one from a couple of days ago but it’s likely an online only article, and Mail Online aren’t IPSO compulsory compliant)

It was in the paper, not just the online version

Brilliant! So Julie Bindel must’ve been the first to sneak through the IPSO fence and unlatch the gate, and now Janice Turner has walked right through, nonchalantly whistling (and literally pointing at her breach via a Twitter post).

Janice has been dragged through the IPSO process once already, reported by one of the activists involved in the writing of the guidelines, Helen Belcher (newly OBE, founder of Trans Media Watch and Trans Actual, one of the activists responsible for creating these IPSO guidelines, Lib Dem Cllr, Ted Talker):

pressgazette.co.uk/news/activist-loses-ipso-complaint-against-janice-turner-times-column-about-trans-suicides/

@MoltenLasagne’s post on the other thread is a thing of beauty (see screenshot):

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MidsomerMurmurs · 28/01/2023 13:37

That’s a really interesting list. Am I right that The Guardian isn’t on it?

So those other papers use “she” because they’ve signed up to IPSO and that’s been sneaked in to the guidance.

But The Guardian uses “she” because its journalists really really think that “Isla Bryson” is a woman, no debate?

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 13:38

Also Nick Timothy:

"It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

Jux · 28/01/2023 13:46

Oh I like that quote from Nick Timothy. That's a question and a half, isn't it?

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 13:47

@Nancydrawed added this KJK video to the other thread:

Nancy points out that the ’Resources’ listed on page 10 of the guidance document are interesting.

(Screenshotted for readers convenience)

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NecessaryScene · 28/01/2023 13:50

All About Trans are discussed a bit in that Sex Matters webinar - they were the group who started IPSO down this path, in response to some quite egregious press behaviour. But they've massively overshot.

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 14:07

last night, on t’other thread @dworkinwasright posted:

“A number of women’s groups have complained to IPSO over the past few years, but apart from publishing the results of a consultation they have done nothing. I have heard a rumour that they are planning new guidelines.”

here’s a thread about what happened when FPFW tried reporting various trans stories to IPSO for using the word ‘woman’ to describe a man.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557521-press-regulator-is-failing-women-with-approach-to-transgender-coverage

And here’s IPSOs explanation as to why they commissioned research into how the transgender guidance was going 3 years or so into implementing it:

www.ipso.co.uk/news-press-releases/blog/ipso-blog-new-transgender-research/

And here is the result of that research: www.ipso.co.uk/monitoring/research/

(the quotes from editors and writers are basically what we’ve been saying for years, I’ll find some examples in a sec)

I’m pretty sure we had a thread on this research result at the time, but haven’t found it via a quick search, can anyone help me find it?

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WarriorN · 28/01/2023 14:13

Is sonia close??

Female Newspaper Journalists Deliberately Breaking IPSO Trans Rules: A thread.
WarriorN · 28/01/2023 14:13

Sorry, can't help with your quest Op. hopefully someone will soon.

catandcoffee · 28/01/2023 14:14

Fantastic news.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 14:14

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 13:38

Also Nick Timothy:

"It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

Wow brilliant.

Did we used to get deleted for mentioning agp here? How far we have come....

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 14:16

Not newspapers but times radio with Fi and Jane

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618280972885057537?s=46&t=q-Kumf1yOozc0Kn9zNxFiw

Datun · 28/01/2023 14:34

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 14:16

He will have help to transition safely? What does that mean?

Someone will help him put his wig on? If that.

This bloody issue has been in the public domain for years, and at the height of the public narrative for weeks now. How the bloody hell can she still not realise that nothing has to be done in order for someone to consider themselves 'transitioned.'

That it is in fact, the entire fucking point of self ID.

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