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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Adam Graham is the reductio ad absurdum of the idea that a man is a woman solely on his say-so.

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Igneococcus · 27/01/2023 21:13

Janice Turner in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/db651234-9e7c-11ed-8201-2ed91f44d1e8?shareToken=6d484543e602975dbd6f964af78fc46f

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Clymene · 28/01/2023 10:38

I think the Fry point is really good. It's shocking that we have regressed so far. Men have not become more cultured since Fry's days as in they no long rape and assault us.

The only reason this policy ever took hold was because of some naive assumption that transitioning men somehow we desexualised. We know now that's not true. In fact we know now thar more transitioned men are incarcerated for sex offences than men who haven't transitioned.

The evidence is out there.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 10:44

Glover and Garvey were using him, his and he when this story first broke I noticed, on times radio.

bigbabycooker · 28/01/2023 10:48

@WarriorN

Unfortunately, the Quakers are totally captured by gender ideology. Socially conscientious people who should know better, like the greens

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 11:01

Ah bugger

Baaaaaa · 28/01/2023 12:41

bigbabycooker · 28/01/2023 10:48

@WarriorN

Unfortunately, the Quakers are totally captured by gender ideology. Socially conscientious people who should know better, like the greens

This is true unfortunately. Like everywhere, applied social justice activism has infiltrated. Mainly centrally and via 'young quakers" .

Quakers are naturally inclusive and were early adopters of gay marriage and are politically active. Have some sway. A natural target.

Lots of EDI speak in all the current publications.

Quakers really are very accepting and generally recognise and resist ideology and totalitarianism everywhere (except when it infiltrates their own institution in this pernicious "be kind" guise)

Not completely captured by any means though:.
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18127/pdf/

There are many GC quakers and they can't be shut up.

Being Quaker and all.

It was more than I could stand though.

MiladeeBeserko · 28/01/2023 12:48

We need to put the blame where it belongs. This did not happen by accident.
The Scottish Trans Alliance are front and centre of leading the drive to house transwomen in female prisons.
James Morton of the TransaAlliance said that they 'strategised' that this would be the frontier to crash .... basically, if the public accept this, then they will accept anything.
At the Trans Alliance conference, during workshops, father of seven, transwoman Becky Kaufmann told the workshop that they were frequent visitors to the Scottish Prison Services and gave an impression of friendliness and familiarity. Kaufmann is a former US prison officer.
The Scottish Trans Alliance is almost exclusively funded by the Scottish government and is partnered with the implausibly named Equality Network, which also receives a large amount of government funding.

It needs to stop or be stopped, now. If it's Westminster that has to do it, then tough.

MiladeeBeserko · 28/01/2023 13:02

She helps pay for 500 people to evacuate from Afganistan and she posts this. Is it possible to love JK more?
twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1619302315248488450?cxt=HHwWhMDUxYq49fgsAAAA

Clymene · 28/01/2023 13:53

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 10:44

Glover and Garvey were using him, his and he when this story first broke I noticed, on times radio.

They have totally changed their approach to this since leaving the BBC

BellaAmorosa · 28/01/2023 15:42

Clymene · 28/01/2023 10:38

I think the Fry point is really good. It's shocking that we have regressed so far. Men have not become more cultured since Fry's days as in they no long rape and assault us.

The only reason this policy ever took hold was because of some naive assumption that transitioning men somehow we desexualised. We know now that's not true. In fact we know now thar more transitioned men are incarcerated for sex offences than men who haven't transitioned.

The evidence is out there.

That's exactly it. "Woman" - correctly - does not carry the same threat as "man". Some women (I suspect victims of SA who think they are recovered, but aren't) are desperate to use the label of woman to make dangerous men less threatening, because they desperately need to feel less afraid of men.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 15:50

They have totally changed their approach to this since leaving the BBC

Yep and Jenni Murray merrily rt Helen Joyce every chance she can....

Smile
notanicepersonapparently · 28/01/2023 15:57

I’m trying, and failing, to remember the start of the campaign to place transwomen in female jails. There was a lot of press publicity about how awful it was that a certain individual had been placed in a male prison with photos of a very attractive young person which made you fear for their safety among all those men. Being unaware of the larger implications of this subject, I assumed they had had genital surgery and were at risk of sexual assault. Was this the start of the campaign? Does anyone recall it?

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 15:59

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 09:12

I've always though Quakerism is about the most sensible religion around?!

You can't beat a Quaker wedding. They are wonderfully bonkers!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 16:02

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 15:59

You can't beat a Quaker wedding. They are wonderfully bonkers!

I should qualify I understand the reason for the way Quakers do their weddings but they can lead to some unusual and entertaining occurrences due to the way they are carried out.

MagpiePi · 28/01/2023 16:12

Such a good article.

It would be interesting to see if properly separate facilities for trans prisoners were introduced, whether there was a change in the numbers of men convicted of sexual assault and rape who claim to be women.

EpicChaos · 28/01/2023 16:40

MagpiePi · 28/01/2023 16:12

Such a good article.

It would be interesting to see if properly separate facilities for trans prisoners were introduced, whether there was a change in the numbers of men convicted of sexual assault and rape who claim to be women.

I don't think that there would be, if the units were designed to be like the segregation units that people who like children a bit too much are put in. Therapy groups where their fantasies can be discussed openly and all the rest of it!
Nah, best do away with segregation completely imo, let them all rub along together on the ordinary wings with all the other prisoners.

ANewCreation · 28/01/2023 16:45

And is that the same Dr. James Barrett who advocated locking men up with women to help the men 'learn to behave as women'? Who then said to ignore women who didn't like it as they were the sort of women who enjoyed complaining.

I believe so, Rightsraptor.

mobile.twitter.com/hairyleggdharpy/status/1082220060570238976

It was written in support of another murderer/rapist who wanted to be transferred to a women's prison in 2009 for their real life test.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

thefriend.org/article/it-is-soul-crushing-and-miserable-for-anyone-to-live-pretending-to-be-somet

Infuriating insight into the views of Dr James Barrett who also happens to be a Quaker as well as lead clinician at the Charing Cross GIC. We are in such a mess because of his views.

"It is soul-crushing and miserable for anyone to live their lives pretending to be something they are not, no matter how good the pretence they put up."

The gender doctor also has zero sense of irony, obviously...

notanicepersonapparently · 28/01/2023 21:54

https://thecritic.co.uk/keep-men-out-of-womens-prisons/

Ive managed to answer my own question. It was Tara Hudson as discussed in this piece by Josephine Bartosch.

MorvenOfMalvern · 28/01/2023 22:27

Is this the same person? Dr James Barrett in the Critic:

"It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison … to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system, and a plethora of prison intelligence information suggests that the driving force was a desire to make subsequent sexual offending much easier, with females being generally perceived as low risk in this regard."

Seems to have a v different take to the Quaker article?

xxyzz · 29/01/2023 15:33

What a great article.

Such a relief to see correct sex and pronouns used for rapists.

On the Quaker point, Quakerism used to be a genuinely socially progressive movement, but seems unfortunately to have fallen down a woke rabbit hole at some point recently.

For example, Quakers were long active in the fight against antisemitism in the UK, most notably playing a key and laudable role in campaigning for and organising the Kindertransports, in 1938/39, alongside Jewish organisations.

But by 2015-19, something had changed, and relationship the between Judaism and Quakerism had soured, in the light of Quaker support for Corbyn, and lack of awareness or interest in contemporary left-wing antisemitism. See e.g. archive.jpr.org.uk/object-1330

ANewCreation · 29/01/2023 15:42

Looks to be one and the same Dr James Barrett.

What links the perspectives? From its earliest medicalised origins from Harry Benjamin onwards, the whole ideology is built on massively sexist foundations that a man can be any sort of woman on his say so alone and that the power to grant access to women's spaces lies with men and their desire.

Gender medicine seems to attract a certain kind of deeply sexist man (cf Harrop, Lorimer, Richards, Oakley off the top of my head) who is happy to give away the rights of women because he sees them as a generic, amorphous blob or simply an identity rather than fully actualised human beings with thoughts, opinions, feelings and rights of their own.

Combine that with only looking through the lens of what's in it or not for the male transitioner, it's no skin off his nose then if women's safety, health and wellbeing are put at risk or their privacy or dignity compromised - and he knows that women who call themselves men are unlikely to ever be a physical risk to men or that he will need to include them in his dating pool, so, meh...

As a gender identity specialist doctor, you may well be attuned to pick out those whom you believe are gaming the system but you still have a huge blindspot to the fact that, of necessity, the whole notion of gender identity is caning all the systems set up to mitigate the harms done to women in a sexist society.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 29/01/2023 16:35

ANewCreation · 28/01/2023 16:45

And is that the same Dr. James Barrett who advocated locking men up with women to help the men 'learn to behave as women'? Who then said to ignore women who didn't like it as they were the sort of women who enjoyed complaining.

I believe so, Rightsraptor.

mobile.twitter.com/hairyleggdharpy/status/1082220060570238976

It was written in support of another murderer/rapist who wanted to be transferred to a women's prison in 2009 for their real life test.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

thefriend.org/article/it-is-soul-crushing-and-miserable-for-anyone-to-live-pretending-to-be-somet

Infuriating insight into the views of Dr James Barrett who also happens to be a Quaker as well as lead clinician at the Charing Cross GIC. We are in such a mess because of his views.

"It is soul-crushing and miserable for anyone to live their lives pretending to be something they are not, no matter how good the pretence they put up."

The gender doctor also has zero sense of irony, obviously...

And here is his submission to parliament.

data.parliament.uk/WrittenEvidence/CommitteeEvidence.svc/EvidenceDocument/Women%20and%20Equalities/Transgender%20Equality/written/19532.html

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