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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Adam Graham is the reductio ad absurdum of the idea that a man is a woman solely on his say-so.

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Igneococcus · 27/01/2023 21:13

Janice Turner in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/db651234-9e7c-11ed-8201-2ed91f44d1e8?shareToken=6d484543e602975dbd6f964af78fc46f

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Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 08:41

Looking at his name instead of ADAM GRAHAM, as I'm not awake and the letters won't sit still I keep reading his name as this:

A
MAD
GRA
HAM

Ohyoudodoyou · 28/01/2023 08:42

Read, googled, shared.

Rightsraptor · 28/01/2023 08:45

Excellent, as usual. Although I wish she didn't use the term 'warders' as it hasn't been current for over one hundred years. It's prison officers, I believe.

Anyway. How can anyone read the words of James Morton (a transman btw) and not feel a shudder down their spine, I do not know.

And is that the same Dr. James Barrett who advocated locking men up with women to help the men 'learn to behave as women'? Who then said to ignore women who didn't like it as they were the sort of women who enjoyed complaining.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 08:49

Igneococcus · 28/01/2023 07:02

Yes, it's great to see the correct pronouns used. I hope it's a Times wide change.

Times are definitely changing aren't they!

😀

Villagetoraiseachild · 28/01/2023 08:53

Go Janice! Thank you for sharing Op.
The tide it is a turning....

Geetars · 28/01/2023 08:55

Janice you are my hero. Going to buy the Times today.

Treaclemine · 28/01/2023 08:56

I don't think the reference to Elizabeth Fry will be that effective. 1. She was a woman. 2. She had no paper qualifications for the work she carried out. 3. She belonged to some weird sect that thought, and thinks, it has some right to interfere in state matters, and we now know that religion has no business arguing with TW's rights.

Meanwhile, I don't understand why Dentons believes it has some right to interfere in the business of nations other than the one it is based in, regardless of the will of the people of those nations. I've found some stuff about them, but not a convincing explanation.

whereaw · 28/01/2023 08:57

Will also be buying... might even subscribe!

SkydiveMonty · 28/01/2023 09:05

I don't think the reference to Elizabeth Fry will be that effective. 1. She was a woman. 2. She had no paper qualifications for the work she carried out. 3. She belonged to some weird sect that thought, and thinks, it has some right to interfere in state matters, and we now know that religion has no business arguing with TW's rights.

Oh this is just nonsense. She was a Quaker living in the nineteenth century - a real trailblazer for the time. Well done Janice. The tide is turning.

GrabbyGabby · 28/01/2023 09:05

Janice if you are reading thus, someone needs to start writing about what is happening in America. The august ACLU has become a vicious enforcer of gender identity over the rights of women. It doesn't matter how vicious the crimes,how flimsy the womanface, or how devastating the consequences, they have been relentlessly prosecuting on behalf of male prisoners wanting to be housed with women. It is so sick and cruel. They literally have no limits. He says he is a she, he belongs in with the women.

SkydiveMonty · 28/01/2023 09:06

And my 'paper qualification ' is a PhD on women in Quaker history 😉

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 09:11

Lol beetle, I love how your mind works!

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 09:12

I've always though Quakerism is about the most sensible religion around?!

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 09:25

Another cracking opinion piece:

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-rapist-isla-brysons-removal-from-cornton-vale-womens-prison-must-mean-the-end-of-nicola-sturgeons-policy-of-self-id-susan-dalgety-4004042

"His self-declared transition from male to female had only come after he was charged with double rape in 2020, forcing the judicial system to refer to his genitalia as “her penis”. Graham, dragging a pink trolley case into court every day, became the face of extreme gender ideology and the public did not like what they saw."

And:

"Scotland’s civil society, long cowed by successive SNP governments, queued up to laud Nicola Sturgeon as the queen of kindness. Hordes of young men, dressed as parodies of women, cheered with delight at the prospect of living out their sexual fantasies in real life.
And saddest of all, a growing number of vulnerable young women, terrified of their changing bodies and burgeoning sexuality, believed they could become male because the First Minister said it was possible.
It was all a lie. Human beings cannot change their biological sex. Some people have deeply rooted gender dysphoria that requires medical intervention and – for some – a change to their legal status. The law should be modernised to make the process as easy as possible for them.
But there is no place for self-ID. Women and girls cannot be put at risk, their boundaries swept aside in favour of young men who get a sexual frisson out of wearing pink heels and a slash of red lipstick. Or worse, predatory men who pretend to be something else to carry out their abusive behaviour."

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2023 09:31

ResisterRex · 28/01/2023 08:15

Apparently there's new IPSO guidance due the end of this month. However, the thread below seems to says it's been being promised since 2020, so don't get too excited!

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1619240085739966464?s=46&t=MqWtHGzimmtaww1Xuveyqw

The Times is IPSO regulated. I’ve said on a previous thread I don’t understand why these big media organisations, like the Times and the Daily Mail don’t take a stand on reporting of men committing crime and dare IPSO to take them to task over it. It would be a huge ray of sunlight on the entire ideology, every single part of it.

Maybe letting Janice write the truth is the start of that, regardless of what the new IPSO guidance says.

borntobequiet · 28/01/2023 09:43

Terrific article in every way.

Ryder68 · 28/01/2023 09:51

We need a surge of articles in MSM on AGP. More sunlight!

nettie434 · 28/01/2023 09:53

Thanks for sharing, Igneococcus. It is an excellent article, as usual, from Janice. Like most posters, I hadn't realised that prisons were used as a Trojan Horse to attack single sex provision.

A minor point but I think the use of warden was correct as Janice was referring to prisons at the time of Elizabeth Fry. I also found the reference to Elizabeth Fry very telling as it highlights how backward a step it is not to ensure women prisoners' safety from predatory men.

Treaclemine · 28/01/2023 09:53

SkydiveMonty · 28/01/2023 09:05

I don't think the reference to Elizabeth Fry will be that effective. 1. She was a woman. 2. She had no paper qualifications for the work she carried out. 3. She belonged to some weird sect that thought, and thinks, it has some right to interfere in state matters, and we now know that religion has no business arguing with TW's rights.

Oh this is just nonsense. She was a Quaker living in the nineteenth century - a real trailblazer for the time. Well done Janice. The tide is turning.

You know that, I know that (got the membership, too) but I was putting a case for someone outside who ignores history. It wasn't so long ago that a bunch of police in Orkney implied that Quakers must be into black magic because they met in a circle, and the Church of Scotland minister was also involved because he had a long black cloak, used for funerals in bad weather.
Elizabeth Fry, they would say, didn't understand the implications of her work for the most harmed part of society, the transwomen, and therefore can be discounted.

OldCrone · 28/01/2023 09:58

JacquelinePot · 28/01/2023 08:20

I haven't read this article yet but the exceptions do apply to prisons, but the was a judgement last year (was it against Keep Prisons Single Sex?) whereby the judge said that under current legislation it is LAWFUL to have mixed sex prisons. The search function here is terrible or I would try to dig it out.

Yes, it's not that the exceptions don't apply to prisons, it’s that in the current prison guidelines there is not a complete ban on mixed sex prisons.

I think this was one of the threads about it.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4286168-Prisons-Judicial-Review-Judgement?page=1

MilkandKids · 28/01/2023 10:00

Brilliant article, thanks for the share token.

Tanith · 28/01/2023 10:14

SkydiveMonty · 28/01/2023 09:05

I don't think the reference to Elizabeth Fry will be that effective. 1. She was a woman. 2. She had no paper qualifications for the work she carried out. 3. She belonged to some weird sect that thought, and thinks, it has some right to interfere in state matters, and we now know that religion has no business arguing with TW's rights.

Oh this is just nonsense. She was a Quaker living in the nineteenth century - a real trailblazer for the time. Well done Janice. The tide is turning.

I remember learning about Elizabeth Fry and her reforms at school. I think it's still on the curriculum, so most people (who listen during history lessons!) will have heard of her.

JeannieDark · 28/01/2023 10:16

This is a fantastic article, thank you so much for the share token, I've shared with family.

piedbeauty · 28/01/2023 10:29

Excellent article.

Clymene · 28/01/2023 10:32

What is so great about that article is that it clearly lays out how our legal and prison system has been targeted and captured by TRAs.