GC Feminists- what do you want to achieve?

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I posted this on the David Blunkett thread but since I watched the clip of him I have been mulling over what he said, and the then Labour government’s role of bringing in the GRA and it has lead me to really think about my own position and what I want the end point of this to be. It’s sort of crystallised into the following…

The thing that bothers me is that Labour brought in the GRA with no consideration for women. Wasn’t DB part of the upper echelons of Labour at the time?

I can’t help but feel that for all his welcome talk today DB was presumably happy enough with the original GRA not to resign over it so does he really mean ‘women’s equality above all else’ or does he mean ‘women’s equality above else except for the small number of men we (politicians) feel are ok to be included in women’s spaces’? Are we really just back to males can be women but only the right sort of males.

And I don’t know about anyone else but for me that is not acceptable. It has to be no males in female spaces. No exceptions. No ‘but these males are harmless’ or ‘these males have radically changed their bodies and are distressed by being males’ or ‘these males have paperwork that says they’re really female’ so they’re ok.

No one who is male, in any shape, form or identity in female spaces at all. For those males unhappy with that they need to find an alternative that doesn’t involve co-opting female spaces.

If that is your manifesto you can have my vote.

I think we should repeal the GRA, get rid of the Equality Act and bring back the Sex Discrimination Act and the other laws that were conflated into it.

I think that Press For Change were dodgy and Sarah Brown and others pushing for The Equality Act were dodgy. Labour have a lot to answer for there.

It's surely a womanifesto?

What was in the sex discrimination act that was different to the EA? To use The Script "I am not expecting you to do the emotional labour of educating me", is there something to read? That sounds interesting and I don't know bout it.

No to self-ID in practice, not just in law and repeal the GRA. Removal of all uses of 'gender' in policy / law. EA to be amended so provisioners MUST provide single sex services in specific instances (prisons, refuges, toilets, sports, hospital wards, care homes) not just be allowed to.

People can identify however they want and live their private lives in peace.

Absolutely agree. The GRA needs to be repealed and laws to be based on reality. Nothing less, in my opinion.

Yup. In a nutshell.

There is no longer any compromise I am willing to accept.

Men are no type of woman or female.

I'd like Labour to create policies along with the 'radical notion' definition of feminism: simply that they recognise women as actual people and not any kind of misogynistic construct.
That needs to be the basis of everything.

agree with you all, is there a petition anywhere for this ?

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I feel I'm being pedantic but there has to be exceptions for small businesses that may only have room for one bog or changing room.

For me, upholding the single sex exemptions is just the start. There's a flipping mountain to climb from maternity and menopause services to rape convictions and the CSA growing a spine.

That's before we consider the "default" everyday sexism that Abigail Shriver nails in her book "Invisible Women."

sorry to be a pedant

Caroline Craido Perez wrote Invisible Women.
Abigail Shriner wrote Irreversible Damage

Shrier fgs (autocorrect )

I want an official list of where sex matters; prisons, sports, hospital, toilets etc and for it to be law that there is no compromise for anyone. An absolute retraction of any change to sex on official documents. My idea of being accommodating to transpeople is that anyone can opt to have a special individual code on their documents so that their sex is not revealed when it's not important but NHS, employers, police etc. could check the code to discover genuine sex when it is necessary.

I’d like biological women to have ownership of the word ‘woman’ and not be told by men who is and who isn’t a woman, in the same way as the black community isn’t told by white people who is and who isn’t black.

I’d like it to be clear that the words woman and female in legislation refer to the female sex and do not include men identifying as women.

I’d like all single sex spaces, sports, and job positions reserved for women to be protected from the men trying to exploit them.

I’d like the GRA repealed as a nonsense.

I’d like it to be a criminal offence to teach lies to children in a school, specifically the lie that it is possible for humans to become the opposite sex, and the lie that more than two sexes exist.

I’d like an end to taxpayer-funding of non-essential ideology-led medical interventions such as so called ‘puberty blockers’ and sex change surgeries.

Repeal the GRA

Women are not factory seconds or men gone wrong. Acknowledge female anatomy. Make it a legal requirement that any protective clothing and safety equipment has to be designed to fit female bodies.

Prosecute violent criminals.

Improve street safety.

Stop violent men having access to children just because they impregnated a woman.

Oh and ban surrogacy.

Probably more, but the dogs are hungry.

I want the world to accept the fact that humans come in two flavours, female and male. You don't get to choose an extra scoop of tits on a man and call that flavour female as well.

MEN CAN'T BE WOMEN AND WOMEN CAN'T BE MEN. NO DEBATE

MEN DON'T BELONG IN FEMALE ONLY SPACES. NO DEBATE

@FKATondelayo, @Blube, @LavenderHillMob
Yes!

Repeal the GRA.
Push back on the whole idea of Gender Identity, stop giving it any official status. What goes on in someone else's head is their own business, it should not affect my life.

And genderwoo out of schools.

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I’d also like to see some of the ‘old school transsexuals’ who claim they have ‘always been using women’s spaces, unnoticed’, be held to account and made to answer what led them to be so entitled that they transgressed women’s boundaries in the first place. And to be told in no uncertain terms that behaviour defines them as liberty-taking misogynists.

Abolish the GRA.

Amend the 2010 Equality Act to remove 'gender reassignment'. WTF is it even doing in there? Imagine mandating non-discrimination for any other nebulous process - "I am getting my hair done so won't be coming to work. You can't sack me". Ridiculous.

I would not go beyond 'legitimate' and 'proportionate' to protect single sex spaces though, or we are in danger of allowing direct discrimination against woman back in (single sex golf clubs or member-only clubs where the sort of discussions around the GRA would have occurred in the first place).