Suzanne Moore: Trans activists are giving men even more power over women

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In today's Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/01/24/trans-activists-giving-men-even-power-women/

"The row over the Scottish Gender Recognition certificate has caused some particular nasties to crawl out. None of this is new; some trans activists set off a smoke bomb in 2019 next to a meeting at Grenfell, causing huge distress. Woman’s Place meetings are always picketed and women have to meet in secret. Film screenings are stopped by loud, stubbled men in frocks. Professional women, as we know, lose jobs over this issue and some are advised to have personal security. For saying what? That biology exists.

This madness could be dialled down a notch if all this intimidation was condemned. Keir Starmer could do it, the unions could do it, university vice chancellors could do it. Are these institutions happy with the situation? For pity’s sake, don’t ‘both sides’ this. Women are not threatening trans people. The mantra that somehow debating our legal rights means denying their existence is nonsensical. Of course trans people exist, but so does male violence and provision has to be made to protect women from it where possible.
SNP politicians happily posed with protestors with signs saying Decapitate TERFss_. Oh, they did not know what they were doing? Well, “Open your eyes” is all I can say. You are doing trans people no favours at all – for most of these activists are guys who have just found a new channel for their misogyny and get a cheap thrill wearing female underwear while doing it."

Ends:

"I am proud to live on ‘Terf Island’ where critical thinking is allowed, and we do not do what men tell us. We are in it for the long haul and if certain politicians do not recognise that, we simply will not recognise them – however they identify themselves."

Well said Suzanne. I’m sorry Suzanne had such a torrid time at the Guardian that she had to leave but I’m also glad she did. Like Hadley, it’s good that these strong women can now speak freely.

Thank you for the link.

Nice to see a link to the Equality Act petition, wish it had been in the article but there's probably rules. Not so nice to see comments from the vintage misogynist who are blaming this all on feminists.

To quote 'stubbled men in dresses'. There's a phrase you couldn't have used until recently. Times are changing.

And: "most of these activists are guys who have just found a new channel for their misogyny and get a cheap thrill wearing female underwear while doing it."

BOOM. A triple espresso of a piece.

Add that to yesterday's bit from Nick Timothy;

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies

and Telegraph readers are getting quite the lesson on these issues!

The gloves have really come off following the incidents of last weekend and weekend. It's become apparent that any line on fairness, right and wrong has disappeared completely, and that our elective representatives have apparently no standards at all, either among themselves or coming down from the top. People are looking going 'what happens when things go too far? Because they just did?' and discovering that actually nothing will. Nothing at all.

I agree, nils. There's been a definite shift over the last couple of weeks. The mention of autogynephilia in a mainstream national newspaper is one manifestation of this. Another is the way that people on Twitter are referring to India Willoughby by Willoughby's "deadname" and showing pictures of Willoughby pre-transition - this would have been unimaginable before Musk took over. Once you have people saying "I won't play pretend any more", then the game is well on the way to being up. And there is nothing that Willoughby or Willoughby's chums can do about it.

The sheer anger of certain trans activists puts me in mind of men’s rights activists; they want what women have and that means access to us all.

most of these activists are guys who have just found a new channel for their misogyny and get a cheap thrill wearing female underwear while doing it."

Even a few weeks ago this would have been reported entirely differently - maybe not by Suzanne Moore, but certainly generally.

Starting with a lot of handwringing about rights and trans people, before earnestly questioning that even so, it shouldn't be affecting women's rights to this extent.

Now TRA masks are well and truly off, it has, as a PP has said, allowed journalists to strip their gloves off at the same time.

And because TRAs have nothing, absolutely nothing, all you get is more aggression. Not just masks off, but flung on the floor and stamped on.

We've seen it happen on here many times, but now it's in full view of the public.

nilsmousehammer · Today 10:07

The gloves have really come off following the incidents of last weekend and weekend.

Presumably, the editorial staff have seen it and finally realised that these events and the behaviour of the people at them are utterly reprehensible, joined the dots and realised that their raison d'être is the same. Of course, they dislike the SNP, Labour and the Greens, who've just handed them a big stick, with which to beat them.

It's a huge story, with Sturgeon (for one) minimising the messages and pretending that sex realist women (and some men) are threatening trans zealots, with no proof (it doesn't exist, of course).

Lets hope that they don't retreat and that they continue to batter this drum.

Brilliant article and so many good comments below the line. People are finally waking up to what "the right side of history" crowd are really like.

Sad but true.

Here is a link to the petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that “sex” is biological sex
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Of course, they dislike the SNP, Labour and the Greens, who've just handed them a big stick, with which to beat them.

That's nicely put. Half the time with this stuff I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Sturgeon must be feeling as if she's signed her own death warrant.

I still can't get over the rank stupidity of Labour adopting a policy that most of the population opposes, and that looks more dangerous and alarming by the day.

I still can't get over the rank stupidity of Labour adopting a policy that most of the population opposes, and that looks more dangerous and alarming by the day.

It's sexism, piled on sexism.

The frustration of these men when they were asked to define a woman, only last year, was palpable. Batting it away with why are you asking me about this superficial nonsense when I've got more important matters to talk about.

They should've known that stumbling over the dictionary definition of the word woman wasn't a good look. But they all thought it would go away, because to them, it was entirely irrelevant. The most unimportant thing they could think of and just couldn't get their heads around why people were concerned.

Thanks Suzanne, you are right.

Signed.

I wonder when they (the police etc) will actually start punishing these men and "allies" who go around with homemade signs (whilst smiling smugly, safe in the knowledge they are a protected species) calling for the death and killing of women who reiterate biological facts?

Add that to yesterday's bit from Nick Timothy;

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies

Yes, the Overton Window on this has really shifted; not that long ago it would have been an automatic deletion to have referenced such a thing.

The sheer anger of certain trans activists puts me in mind of men’s rights activists

I remember the Fathers4Justice marches, I inadvertently came across one in London one Saturday. I've never seen a terrifying bunch of angry men. There was no doubt in my mind that they were being denied access to their children for extremely good reasons.

You could substitute "access to their children" for "access to women and women only spaces" and...plus ça change.

The frustration of these men when they were asked to define a woman, only last year, was palpable. Batting it away with why are you asking me about this superficial nonsense when I've got more important matters to talk about.

Sadly, it's not just men is it? Also, Rayner, Nandy, Thornberry, etc etc. Captured, the lot of them (with a few honourable exceptions). Let's hope there's some trickle-down from recent Times and Telegraph pieces.

Yes, I agree it's women too. And although personally, I think the reasons are different, they should also be held just as accountable.

I still am not convinced that there is such a thing as trans, yes people with mental health problems, yes autogynephiles, yes fetishists, yes very confused teenagers also with mental health issues, yes mens rights activists, but extra special true trans, not so sure.

I’m with you.

Suzanne Moore says “Of course trans people exist”

And I think - what does that even mean?

Do ‘otherkin’ exist too?

I find it disturbing that people are able to make shit up to explain their strange compulsions then bully people like SM into saying that the made up stuff ‘exists’ as though it is material reality.

Can someone explain what ‘trans’ means when applied to people (nothing vague, arbitrary or circular) please?

Once defined, can you provide material evidence that such people exist in such a way that justifies your description please.

I agree that people who believe themselves to be, or refer to themselves as ‘trans people’ exist, but that their belief is not materially validated by evidence. SM is validating their imaginary world irresponsibly as a journalist imo.
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People who believe in God exist, sure.
That is quite different from saying ‘of course God exists’ in a bloody newspaper.

Same.

Men who say they are women exist.

Men who are women don't.

And I don't know why people expect it should engender automatic respect. Why the hell should it?

Quite apart from the fact that the demands reduce my rights, why should anyone respect a group of a self-selected males? On what basis?