Your child isn't trans, she's just a tomboy

[Birdsweepsin]

Mary Wakefield in the Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/dont-medicalise-tomboys/#Echobox=1674450150

At no other point in history would the existence of a boyish girl have raised the idea that she might actually be a boy in some metaphysical sense. But because we’ve been marinating, for a decade, in the glutinous language of critical gender theory, it’s become normal to think a boyish girl or a girlish boy needs treatment.

We as a society seem to have skipped over the part where we tell our kids they can like whatever clothes, hobbies, friends etc they like, and have jumped straight into telling them there must he something wrong about them because they like X Y and Z.

It's fucking batshit.

I agree, was talking to my parents about this the other day. I was a tomboy, loved football didn’t like dresses or girly clothes but never would be said oh she wants to be a boy. I think some parents these days are too quick to think something is “different” with their kid and try and rationalise it where in fact it is just a small part of their personality that may be more inclined to activities or clothes that are more aimed towards boys.

It doesn't help that we now have a whole raft of men who want to become women (for a variety of reasons) who are now in spaces and platforms they can influence.

Your child is not trans, not a tomboy

Just a child

Whatever their sex leave them be to explore life however they choose

Unless the little blighter is getting into serious trouble

Was about to say something similar. Even the term "tomboy" implies there is something boy-specific about normal child behaviour.

I agree with you. But then men wearing 'feminine' clothing get called perverts/fetishists on here.

I was a tomboy in the 70s. It was a co thing to be . Loads of role models in films and TV - To kill a Mockingbird for starters.
Bit lonely and isolated (not because I was a tomboy) and found it hard to make friends. Got better at it in the 1980s. Still a bit of a tomboy now.
Can't imagine what kind of shit I would have fallen for if I'd been a tomboy who was a bit lonely in this day and age.

Cool thing not "co thing"

I don’t think they do

Just a girl being a girl in the unique way they wish to be.

I'm a tomboy. Hate girly things

No they don’t. The prevailing opinion is that anyone can wear whatever items of clothing they want, it doesn’t matter what sex you are.

And this thread is about children, not adult males with dress up/baby fetishes.

I agree with you. But then men wearing 'feminine' clothing get called perverts/fetishists on here.

I don't think it's quite that simple. There's a difference for both men and women in clothing that is 'feminine' vs clothing that is revealing, sexually provocative and inappropriate for certain environments.

If men and boys want to wear feminine clothes there are lots of ways of doing this without looking like a fetishist.

And any man, not matter what clothes they're wearing should not be saying he is a woman or trying to access women's spaces.

There's no such thing as a trans child.

I’m glad “Sam” escaped the transition treadmill. It’s so damned dangerous. Being a gender non-conforming child today gets you boxed in far more than in the 70s.

It’s so stupid and regressive.

I agree with you. But then men wearing 'feminine' clothing get called perverts/fetishists on here.

I don't think they do either, however the men who wear grossly over-exaggerated, hyper-sexualised versions of what they think is 'feminine' clothing, and especially want to do it in the exclusive company of small children/ girls/ women might do.

If men and boys want to wear feminine clothes there are lots of ways of doing this without looking like a fetishist

Billy Porter and Harry Styles manage to do it perfectly well.

disagreeing with my while mentioning men with ‘dress up’ fetishising 😂🤷🏽‍♀️ I mean point proven

Children who are encouraged to were whatever will grow into adults who were whatever. So is it only ok when they’re children?

Nonsense. No one would dare to call a man a pervert, quickest way to be deleted.

Not that most women ‘on here’ think that a man in feminine clothing is the aforesaid insult, only those who muscle into inappropriate facilities and claim that it’s their right, because like India , they are ‘better ‘ women than …...women.

But this thread was about girls who like traditionally masculine things ( ? Maths? Climbing trees? Search me) who are at risk of being encourage to cut their breasts off and permanently alter their hormonal balance. Nothing to do with men in dresses.

Could you post an example, please?

Women certainly object to men trespassing in women's single-sex spaces or hanging around children. And I've become more suspicious of men trying to look like women, because they now often claim to actually be women, whereas in the past I cheered them for (as I thought) opposing gender stereotypes.

But I haven't noticed men wearing 'feminine' clothing, but not bothering women or children, being called perverts/fetishists on here.

Absolutely. Dressing as a woman does not make you one, and am with you re access to female spaces.

And as long as clothing is appropriate for the environment, whether or not it’s sexually revealing or provocative has nothing to do with it.

You are absolutely correct and don’t mean to intentionally derail, but I was replying specifically to a comment that generalised and mentioned that children should be able to dress in whatever clothes they like. Because the irony is is that if that boy still dresses in feminine clothing as an adult male, there’s a good chance he’ll be considered a fetishist, unless he follows a specific set of rules

Difficult to do as they get deleted. But one has come to mind which was (I believe) M&S, who had a model that appeared to be male photographed in women’s clothing. Cue lots if frothing from the OP and cheerleaders, why do men want to wear those clothes, why is it never a ‘butch-looking man’ modelling them etc. Nowhere was it mentioned on the site that this person was trans or anything else, at first glance you’d assume it was a man in perfectly acceptable female attire (think it was a suit).

Except many posters then came on to point out that it was actually a woman 😁

So they get deleted. Which is what you'd think would be appropriate in the case you've described.

The "rules" that men need to follow who wear traditionally female clothing items are simply: don't claim to be a woman as a result, and to dress/behave appropriately in the way that someone female would be expected to in the same circumstances. That's all.

I just find it so sad that some (many) parents seem to feel the need for their children to have something or be something. Unfortunately, as with everything, the more who 'have' or 'be', the less there is available for those who genuinely need help.

Meant to say for the very small handful that do need help.