Trans self-ID since 2015 — and no horror stories - The Times

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-self-id-since-2015-and-no-horror-stories-vzzfx6fvs

Bollocks.
Literally.

Can someone please do a share token?

I can't help but will be reading once someone does

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-self-id-since-2015-and-no-horror-stories-vzzfx6fvs

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abea8480-99d1-11ed-b166-62bd6c86c09d?shareToken

Because such news has been suppressed rigorously

Sorry, this is the same country which has three violent men housed in the women's prison estate?

And a woman was raped in hospital (and probably more than one given the Baroness’s comments that she’s looking at 50-100 cases)

And women have had to self-exclude from rape crisis and refuge facilities - who’s measured what damage that caused?

Plus the harm to trans widows and their children

Plus obv anyone who self-id’d, went through medication or surgery and then realised they had made a horrible mistake. Not much recording of the harm done to them

But of course, fewer people are able to comment on this subject in The Times now

Mentioned in this one too
This bit made me rage

"Little significant evidence"

The gender bill won’t affect you, but it will make life a bit easier for trans people like me

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-gender-bill-wont-affect-you-but-it-will-make-life-a-bit-easier-for-trans-people-like-me-fkq6mrj7c

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Right off the bat I would consider all the women terrified by rapists in their prisons to be horror stories, all the women who have lost their jobs and endured death and rape threats for not believing in self-ID and having the temerity to say so to be horror stories, the sexually assaulted woman harassed and then refused a female-only life-saving operation of which she’d been assured — endangering her life — to be a horror story.

The rape victim in Brighton forced to share a therapy group with a seemingly prurient male is a horror story. The police door stepping women for putting up mild factual stickers is a horror story. A guillotine on a placard is a horror story. Spitting at women is a horror story. Punching women at Speaker’s Corner is a horror story. Shutting down feminist talks at multiple universities is a horror story. Males taking medals from sportswomen and women writers alike is a horror story. Adolescent males being roomed with females on Girl Guide sleep-aways is a horror story. Calling all powerful female icons “non-females” in our theatres is even a horror story.

We are living in a horror story.

Of course there’s no evidence. Those crimes were all recorded as being committed by women. Because that’s what self ID in practice means - the statistics record whatever the criminal says is their sex, not their biological sex.

The article is rubbish but the comments are spot on the mark, at least right now. Each one sets out the reality of the situation in a measured way, with compassion for the most marginalised and vulnerable in society (women, and/or trans people depending on your view point).

Yes, I was going to say that there is no evidence. They are not recording it.

Trans self-ID since 2015 — and no horror stories

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abea8480-99d1-11ed-b166-62bd6c86c09d?shareToken=ebf5b155b34f25137d68dc1bee964f91

Current top rated comment:

"If you think you’re gay at 16, you probably are, and if you later discover that you’re not, it is not a problem for anyone. If you think, or are persuaded to think that you are trans, and later discover that you are not, it is sometimes not so simple to backtrack. The horror of de-transitioning is largely ignored by the media and always by left wing journalists. J.K. Rowling’s position on this issue is measured and sensible, reflecting the views of the average parent, and to belittle her does the author no credit. The proposed bill is unpopular amongst the voting public in Scotland, but hey, who cares? I live in Ireland and had no idea that such legislation existed here. I looked it up, and discovered that it was slipped onto the books surreptitiously when we were all voting for gay marriage equality. There are no horror stories because nobody knows about it. We should all care when women’s hard won rights are being gradually eroded and our children’s future happiness is being sacrificed at the altar of trans activism."

Second one with their bold:

"Here's an extract from a report by Dentons (the world’s largest law firm by number of lawyers), Thomson Reuters Foundation and IGLYO – the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and Intersex Youth & Student Organisation into self-id in Ireland:

“In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.”

Ireland is the poster case for advanciing deeply unpopular self-id laws by subterfuge and usurping the rights of women."

Here's a long piece published just the other day on one woman's attempts to obtain evidence in Belgium:

Self ID in Belgium; no news is good news

A wall of silence among journalists and institutions means the effects of self-ID are impossible to know

Not only do they refuse to offer any indication of trans status - the police have stopped having statistics on sex, making sure "you don’t get a historic view of sex statistics like you can for everything else" - so if there has been a sudden uptick in "female" offences, it's hidden.

The "reported" and "recorded" sort of language is so insidious.

It's a tiny example, but I can't swim at my local swimming pool anymore due to "mixed gender" changing facilities. It's not that I think I'll be raped in the showers (although this isn't outside the realm of possibilities I guess). It's that it's horrible for me to feel vulnerable in a shower or changing cubicle with the university men's rowing team shouting right outside. They're not being horrible, they're just existing, but the loud men's voices and presence panics me and throws me back to being a teenager when I WAS assaulted, and 20ish years of trying to overcome trauma responses haven't helped.

I haven't reported this anywhere. I just stopped going, and no it's not a crime - but it's a loss of a small freedom and the health benefits too, and I can't be alone in this small insidious loss of opportunity that add up?

Add to that, the reason I haven't reported or complained is that I'll look like a transphobic asshole for raising it. If we can't flag issues then it's no shocker that they're not flagged.

I haven't reported this anywhere. I just stopped going, and no it's not a crime - but it's a loss of a small freedom and the health benefits too

This also would work the other way, but somehow it doesn't.

"No ability to falsify legal sex from -20,000 to 2004 - and no horror stories".

Women in Limerick Prison denied adequate exercise or recreation because of security issues around violent transwomen in the women's block, forced to listen to vile foul mouthed abuse from the transwomen, constantly aware that those transwomen, two of them sex offenders, are watching them and listening to them and will know them after release.

No, no horror stories.

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That is a very interesting article necessary. Thanks for the link.

Absolute cobblers. Apart from the three violent men in Limerick Women's Prison - and one in Dublin iirc - there's the usual problems with toilets and sports.

Like that hulking great bloke who plays Women's Gaelic Football. A strange passion for an Italian guy who used to work at the Torture Garden BDSM club in London.

There was a radio phone in - just the one - which was swamped with callers protesting about the loopholes in Self ID. Been a bit quiet since. I think the female prisoners would have a good case for the European Court of Human Rights.

I've wondered about the constitutional aspect of changing the definitions of 'woman' and 'man' without asking people.

I think it was Amnesty Ireland that wrote the open letter calling for the removal of some basic human rights from certain group of women. It called for the removal of political representation and the right to participate in the public arena on account of our views that biological sex is important and immutable.

For the main human rights body in Ireland (supported by Amnesty International) to call for the removal of human rights from women is quite a major horror story in my book.

Most of the major women’s and feminist groups in Ireland are now trans led (male born) as well as major input into education from trans lobby groups who push hard the ‘wrong body’ narrative that Westminster has demanded be removed from schools as it is such a harmful message for children.

As a perfect illustration of the issues of self id, Barbie Kardashian was seen at a gender clinic who said that Barbie did not have gender dysphoria but Barbie applied for and received a GRC anyway and is now being treated as if Barbie was female despite not being trans by the common definition.

Louise O Neill regularly writes articles in support of the removal of women’s rights which are riddled with factual inaccuracies and rely heavily on emotive language.

Has anyone suggested the need for a referendum? - It would force a balanced and open debate.

Louise O’Neill. Has form for writing complete nonsense about this stuff.

...aaaaand of course I've been deleted for not taking the knee.