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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I am a woman! Please remind me how

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Booblessbeauty · 17/01/2023 09:29

I have a genetic form of cancer which means female body parts have been removed and female hormones suppressed. So I have had a full hysterectomy, including cervix, ovaries, etc. ANd a radical double mastectomy. And will be taking tablets to suppress female hormones for the rest of my life. O yes, and I am bald because of chemo. And I often wear mens clothes. They are practical and cheap

So. please confirm for me what makes me a woman.

I do have my own little list, which I will post shortly, but I would like to hear your ideas first

I am not fragile, in any way, so you are very welcome to be as honest as you want

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Booblessbeauty · 17/01/2023 13:05

sorry to bring the conversation down with such a bump, but another hugely significant aspect of female life experience and biology occurred to me while I was out.

toilets - the use of, and the coping without of....

the queues, the lack of capacity to perform standing, the inconvenience, the frequency, the planning, the issues with needing to pop behind a bush if you are out in the wild a long way from plumbing, the reasons a skirt is more convenient than trousers, the restrictions on participation in outdoor sporting events when provision is inadequate....

Lets get back to the high visions now!😂xx

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AtrociousCircumstance · 17/01/2023 13:11

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 17/01/2023 09:33

You became a woman at the moment of conception. It is encoded in every cell of your body, and every bone in your skeleton. Nothing can change that.

This.

pieceofpasta · 17/01/2023 13:13

A female is anyone who does, will, did or would have produced large gametes (ie their body has developed for this purpose even if things have happened that makes that impossible)

qpmz · 17/01/2023 13:37

Your DNA.
Not to mention your organs down below. And you've probably had periods. Your hips and curves and voice tone and lack of Adams apple. You will always be a beautiful woman.

So sorry you're going through cancer. Wishing you a long, happy and healthy future.

OneMorePlant · 17/01/2023 14:06

You're not crying about it like a manchild, you're taking it like a woman, with strenght and humor.

Much love and best wishes to you darling 💜

DrDinosaur · 17/01/2023 14:15

Only a woman could have the type of cancer you have and have the surgery you have.
You are a member of the sex class that makes large, immobile gametes. That is what a female is. You are an adult human female, do a woman.

The fact that you no longer make any gametes is irrelevant, just as it is for me and every other post menopausal woman. Our sex class is determined at conception, and it can never be changed.

waterwitch · 17/01/2023 18:33

What a fantastic thread, thank you Booblessbeauty and so many amazing pp’s. How unbelievably conceited of any man to think he could access womanhood with a pair of shoes and a bit of glitter!

JoodyBlue · 17/01/2023 18:40

You were born female and every bit of your life to date has been a female experience. It so saddens me that any of us even need to begin to question this. Also so sorry to hear of your health issues Flowers

Brokendaughter · 17/01/2023 19:09

You gave birth to a child.
You are a mother.

Only a woman can be a mother.

Only a woman can look into the eyes of her newborn she carried within her for months who could not have ever existed without her existence as a woman.

Only a womans very body reshapes itself to prepare to give birth, so your actual skeleton now stands as evidence that you not only are a woman, but also a mother.
Nobody can take that away from you.

You are experiencing an illness & a grief at dealing with it that only a woman can ever experience, but it only changes a few bits of you.

It doesn't change the core of your being, which is physically & mentally female.

Your parents celebrated the birth of their daughter, because they had no doubt that you were a baby girl who would grow to become a woman.

Your partner/husband was attracted to the beautiful woman you still are.

It doesn't matter what surgery you have, what drugs you have to take, what clothes you wear.

From your female sized toes to the tip of your more vulnerable female head you are always & ever a woman.

Also, you are a viper & we are women who fight.
So keep it up, you are a fabulous fighting woman as you were, as you are & as you will be.
Nothing & nobody can take that away from you.

Melroses · 17/01/2023 19:11

I found this, when I was drawn down a rabbit hole through following links from Gussie Grips' website, about pelvic floor anatomy. #DryByChristmas

👀
- compressor urethrae
- sphincter urethrovaginalis

Booblessbeauty · 17/01/2023 19:53

Thank you for your lovely lovely posts xx

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Popcorneater · 17/01/2023 22:07

Men have larger hearts and larger lungs than women, but woman have larger livers, stomachs, thyroid glands and kidneys than men. Women also have lower blood pressure on average and a faster heartbeat.

Also, if you an average woman you will be shorter than the average man with smaller hands and wider pelvic bones.

IamAporcupine · 17/01/2023 23:52

I'll add:
Your muscles are female www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285578/

ArcaneWireless · 18/01/2023 00:04

And as a female, you wouldn’t know what girl mode was unless it grew teeth and bit you on your arse 😉

WalkthisWayUK · 18/01/2023 00:16

You’ve gone through a hysterectomy and mastectomy, no male ever has to go through that!

Your experience is innately female, your loss of your female body parts is a female experience. Your feelings now, of a loss of femaleness, are because you are female. It is in every single DNA of your body, everywhere. It is in your brain, your connections, your experiences, the tiny little things that have happened and will happen.

nocoolnamesleft · 18/01/2023 00:31

You are female down to every organ, every tissue, every cell. Your connective tissue is female, your bone structure is female, your renal function is female, your cardiac function is female. Your health journey is absolute proof that you are female, because it cannot be shared by any man. You are daughter, you are mother. You are woman.

tappinginto2023 · 18/01/2023 00:38

If you are worried about facial hair you are a women.

Flowers about the cancer

SockGoddess · 18/01/2023 07:18

booblessbeauty thank you for starting the thread, it’s so moving and beautiful to read and making me cry, in a good way. You wonderful woman
💐
🔘

BacktoSlack · 18/01/2023 08:31

DameMaud · 17/01/2023 10:20

💐 for your experience OP.

My answer to your question:

Being a woman is a developmental pathway set at conception that is an unfolding of experiences throughout life; which may include the painful experiences unique to being a woman such as you are going through now.

I like to think of being a woman as a complex sum of the psychological, social, and ancestral, as well as biological/genetic and anatomical.

Being in my 50s, I am very aware of this ongoing process, as I am having to learn to let go of what it is to be a young woman, and embrace and grow into an older woman. Eg; letting go of pleasing and growing in fierceness and a sense of standing for larger community protection.

The phases of Maiden, Mother, Crone (true in some way for those without children too) seem very real to me right now; as something unique to womanhood and as something that cannot truly be appropriated.

I'm reading the book 'Nella Last's War'- diary of a world war 2 housewife at the moment. Not my usual kind of book, but I've been blown away by the connection I feel to a woman of my age, over a generation ago, living a very different life to me.
Some of her journal entries as she faces what it means to be a woman - in her family and community and society at large-the rage and compassion, protection, losses, unfulfilled desires, and frustrations, could have been written by anyone of us on here.
They could never have been written by a man.

Being a woman links us across time and space. That's what I mean by the ancestral part.

Apologies for length of this response, but the confluence of reading this book now, at this time, in the context of the battles we are facing, and reading your post now really brought all this home- and made me want to respond with my reflections.

(Recommend the book btw!)

👏👏 👏
Beautifully put

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