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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It’s time to call out the nonsense of nonbinary - Spiked

69 replies

boobalie · 16/01/2023 16:27

www.spiked-online.com/2023/01/16/its-time-to-call-out-the-nonsense-of-nonbinary/amp/

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IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 16:44

Perhaps we should have an award for people who refuse to accept awards. It would have made about as much sense.

BreatheAndFocus · 16/01/2023 16:59

Totally agree. I wouldn’t even humour them. If someone says “But I’m non-binary?” I’d feign ignorance and ask “Non-binary - that’s your gender, right?” and when they said Yes I’d respond “Great : ) These awards are based on sex not gender identity”.

It’s encouraging this idiocy not to call it out. It doesn’t (and shouldn’t) need to be done nastily, just factually.

LaughingPriest · 16/01/2023 17:21

But what if you're female and don't feel feminine "enough"? Or male and not masculine? How is anyone supposed to know you could be one without the other? That concept is far, far beyond the understanding of most people?

OneMorePlant · 16/01/2023 17:38

Good article! I'm so over all this sexist nonsense at the expense of women. It needs to stop.

Icecreamandapplepie · 16/01/2023 17:52

Wow- amazingly composed and worded.
The best thing I've ever read on this subject!

boojongles · 16/01/2023 18:26

Excellent article. Total common sense.

Non-binary is a fucking ridiculous concept. I wear dungarees and DMs, don't own anything pink, but I'm a woman. I have a vagina.

JellySaurus · 16/01/2023 18:44

I am not willing to sacrifice the sense and universalism of the language I use to appease the fever dreams of a minority movement.
Yes. Absolutely.

‘For the narcissist, the world is a mirror’, said Christopher Lasch. The narcissist must always see ‘his “grandiose self” reflected in the attentions of others’, he said.
Quite! The constant search for validation, and demands for others to validate people's beliefs about themselves.

RubyTrees · 16/01/2023 19:59

Under the banner of ‘inclusion’, women are out.

Ain't that the truth.

bellac11 · 16/01/2023 20:09

Brilliant article, I wish it was more mainstream.

nilsmousehammer · 16/01/2023 20:14

The Brits took the knee to the cult of nonbinary and its awards have never been less reflective of society. It’s almost as if the trans ideology is anti-women.

Gosh, isn't it.

nepeta · 16/01/2023 20:20

At its worst, the existence of a non-binary identity forces everyone not explicitly choosing it to implicitly accept that they are now themselves binary, i.e., two-dimensional sex stereotypes, GI Joes and Barbie dolls.

This would make feminism almost pointless. A return to retrogressive sex roles for most, except this time they would appear to be chosen.

boojongles · 16/01/2023 22:24

RubyTrees · 16/01/2023 19:59

Under the banner of ‘inclusion’, women are out.

Ain't that the truth.

Yes!

Pallisers · 16/01/2023 22:51

If Emma Corrin felt it difficult to be nominated as best actress as she is non-binary, then how on earth did she think it was ok to play Diana who was very clearly NOT non-binary. Surely she appropriated a role here? If Diana had been non-binary in real life, would this movement have tolerated a female actor playing her for a second?

All that difficulty would be utterly fixed if Corrin stopped taking on any roles other than those that are non-binary.

AnyFucker · 16/01/2023 23:02

Brendan certainly cuts through the bullshit. I love it.

LadyHester · 16/01/2023 23:16

You say non-binary, I say having a personality.

GCMM · 16/01/2023 23:33

If we started to call people's bluff a bit more, I think it would help eg if all the non-binary pupils in girls' schools were told they had to leave because (by their own admission) they weren't girls, it would concentrate the mind, I'm sure.

Tukmgru · 16/01/2023 23:35

Spiked is a genuinely mad outlet, and really shouldn’t be quoted if you want to be taken remotely seriously.

It was started by the revolutionary communist party UK. I’m not even bloody joking. Half their lot turned into ultra conservatives and have found a home pretending they care about free speech, mask mandates and apparently now trans issues. They don’t, they’re just nutters. One of them is now a Tory peer.

Hawkins001 · 16/01/2023 23:39

If you were a shapeshifter,eg odo, then I can understand the label non binary, but when you have an inverted pyramid or a sword, then how can you believe your non binary, when your very own genetics has already given you a label ?

headache · 16/01/2023 23:40

Sheer common sense post.

I don’t know why but pregnant people irks me, people not get pregnant only women get pregnant.

butterfliedtwo · 16/01/2023 23:47

RubyTrees · 16/01/2023 19:59

Under the banner of ‘inclusion’, women are out.

Ain't that the truth.

Exactly.

Thesonglastslonger · 17/01/2023 00:02

Fantastic article. Quite philosophical.

Celia24 · 17/01/2023 01:19

Pallisers · 16/01/2023 22:51

If Emma Corrin felt it difficult to be nominated as best actress as she is non-binary, then how on earth did she think it was ok to play Diana who was very clearly NOT non-binary. Surely she appropriated a role here? If Diana had been non-binary in real life, would this movement have tolerated a female actor playing her for a second?

All that difficulty would be utterly fixed if Corrin stopped taking on any roles other than those that are non-binary.

That and playing Lady Chatterley more recently. Many shagging scenes where she is clearly a woman.

Sorry but I think if you're playing a woman (which is the only sex she'll ever play) you can only be nominated in that category.

Delphinium20 · 17/01/2023 01:56

The irony of their misuse of the word ‘they’ is that they are myopically focused on me, me, me.

Brilliant. So, so true. I've spent lots of time with many young people caught up in this movement and the navel-gazing is off the charts. Even for teenagers.

thirdfiddle · 17/01/2023 01:59

Good rant.
Brendan O'Neill has long talked sense on these issues. I'm not a regular reader so I don't know his politics more generally.

nettie434 · 17/01/2023 03:07

i would be less opposed to non-gendered awards if women had more equality than men in the music and film industries, theatre and publishing. Artists like like Beyonce and Adele are the exceptions. A man in the music industry is likely to be more successful than a similarly talented woman.

The Oscars are coming under pressure to end separate best actor/actress awards. If you are a middle aged or older woman, it's already unlikely you will get an Oscar. That possibility will become even less likely.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/women-onscreen-representation-film-study-1235111493/