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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rates of detransitioning after prison sentence

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Brefugee · 16/01/2023 11:37

I'm pretty sure someone posted an article or stats about this but i can't find it. Currently in a discussion on Twitter (yes i know) and this kind of info would be useful.

Am furiously googling but coming up with nothing

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NecessaryScene · 16/01/2023 12:20

There was this the other day from the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/03d57d22-6b4c-11ec-bb37-1b2eed73c283

Thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4442652-Trans-prisoners-switch-gender-again-once-freed-from-women-s-units

Not stats though - a researcher interviewing female prisoners.

Another recent FoI request revealed that 12 trans prisoners convicted of violence or sexual crimes had been accommodated in Scottish women’s jails within the past 18 months. Only one had transitioned fully while the others had self-identified as female.

Maycock, who worked for the Scottish Prison Service when he undertook the research at four Scottish prisons, said several of the 15 female prisoners he interviewed spoke of transgender people who had transitioned in custody and reverted to their birth gender following release.

While some believed prisoners born male had switched for sexual opportunities, there was also a view that some had abused the system to get an easier time in jail.

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While some women surveyed were respectful of the rights of trans people to identify as they felt, and positive about some of the trans prisoners they had lived beside, there was also anger that they had no opportunity to express discomfort.

One prisoner said she feared the trans prisoners she had known had conned the SPS. She said: “The last one to get out, back living as a man. The one before that got out, back living as a man.

“While he was in the hall, [he] was telling people, I’m stopping taking my medication because I can’t [become erect]. I’ve not a problem living with trans people; it’s living with people who are manipulating the system and pretending to be trans.”

Another said of another trans prisoner: “I feel like it was a bit of an act. Because she had a beard and she didn’t try. She basically had a short back and sides and . . . she just looked awful. And she didn’t try to cover up her ‘down belows’. She just didn’t try.”

The SPS is aware of Maycock’s research but has no plans to make use of it. Instead, it has undertaken its own consultation exercise into how it fits trans prisoners into its estate and expects to have a report by the summer.

Brefugee · 16/01/2023 12:22

thank you.
I found the times article (and took out a subscription to read it!)
Must ask around if any friends have access to the research.

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LaughingPriest · 16/01/2023 13:14

I don't know how you'd measure whether someone had detransitioned - if you ask them 'are you still a woman' is there any incentive for them to say 'no actually'?

Brefugee · 16/01/2023 18:32

I don't know how you'd measure whether someone had detransitioned - if you ask them 'are you still a woman' is there any incentive for them to say 'no actually'?

yep, there is actually no way of knowing at all, to be honest. It's really quite interesting, how we can know anything about anyone at all.

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