First they came for KJK, now Helen Joyce

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I’ve been feeling very disillusioned by leftist feminists denigrating the single issue campaigners for not being feminist enough (even if they never claimed to be feminists in the first place) and for either being right wing or aligning with the right wing. I know HJ copped a tremendous amount of flak for attending KJK’s event in Brighton (and I actually suspect she might have lost a few friends too) but now we have this.

I know HJ is economically right wing and centrist/conservative in her politics. I’m politically homeless and so couldn’t care less about anyone’s politics not aligning with my own. This purity spiral I keep seeing within left wing GC circles is so deleterious to the movement, surely?

I thought it had all died down but clearly not.

I have never heard HJ discuss her views on abortion, and even if her opinion differs to mine I seriously doubt it would impact upon my opinion of her as a GC campaigner. I think she’s one of the best voices we’ve got. Will we ever get anywhere if disagreeing with someone means you have to cast them out?

Anyway, the upshot of this is I’m interested in the journal, haha!

No problem. It does look a bit weird reading it back but I'm not sure how else to put it!

I do think some of the feminists who criticise them both, would look down their noses at me for not being educated or feminist enough.

I have no idea what other feminists think of me. And I don't really care because feminism isn't about individual women, it's a movement for women's rights.

Well some feminists need to remember that when taking about other women.

I know one thing though, neither HJ or KJK would ever look down their nose at women like me.

There it is, as they used to say on The West Wing. There it is.

Why is she saying that Helen Joyce can be anti abortion if she likes?

Has Helen said anything to suggest it?

There does seem to be a few of these incidents. For example, I saw this reply to Maya the other day which I thought was wrongheaded:

https://twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1609606956192235522?s=46&t=Sq3oYNDsfA0GdVY0RLUU_A

The idea seems to be - well you made case law so now you should drop it. Erm no, that's not how it works. Prior to what happened, Maya was just an ordinary woman, doing a job.

She could have walked away but instead she's taken on a massive fight and become a public face. She didn't have to. She could have decided she didn't have the stomach for it.

Equally, we can decide whether or not we contribute to the next stage. I do think she deserves to be compensated. I might contribute. I had also been looking at KPSS and thinking I might donate to them. I still might, though I'd be tempted to tell them I did it in spite of their comments towards Maya, because I support what they do.

...and if she has? What then?

Sorry, that was in reply to Datun.

This.

Is it even true?

HJ is socially liberal I thought? And here:

at at the UnHerd debate last month with Julie Bindel, Helen talks (45:46) about the one way ideological purity flows in, e.g. when sharing a platform with a social conservative activist, she wonders why is he not meant to turn into '...somebody who's pro-gay marriage, pro abortion, feminist...'

It does make you wonder if the tweet is actionable

Thank you @TinaBarrow

Is there some kind of problem with "Fairer Disputations"? I've never heard of them.

I think the issue is with Erika Bachiochi.

Is that it? Is that what JH has based her attack on?

She isn't anti-abortion. She's spoken about it, but I can't remeber where, but I do remeber her saying she supported that right. She's an atheist, she's Irish, she's definately pro choice, and economically she's a pretty centrist capitalist - which most people in the UK are.

She sopke about her son who happens to be gay - (nuclear family???) so I don't know what the tweeter is on about.

What then? Nothing.

I just want to establish whether this is a legitimate difference of opinion, or, a difference of political viewpoint which is tainting everything else.

i'm sick to death of people who say they're right wing, or not massively left-wing, being targeted with every other bloody insult under the sun as a result.

I admire HJ and despair at the purity tests. I also aim to donate to Maya as soon as she needs it. I can see the reason GI's would try to silence these women: because they are so clear, so effective, so right, and so calm with it. They bring sunlight and sense to counter men feelz and be kind. But our 'own side' attacking? What is that about? As pp said, I'm tired of this.

Has that retweet been deleted now?

I saw it a while ago. Seems to be gone now.

I think the issue is with Erika Bachiochi.
I don't know who she is either.

Jeni Harvey is purity spiralling. Everyone who doesn't agree with her on absolutely everything is evil.

Contrast this with the publication she's objecting to:

Our mission is to advance a new vision of feminism, one that is grounded in the basic fact that sex is real. Although the authors we feature do not all agree on every issue, they each make important contributions to the debate over how society should, in justice, accommodate the reality of sexual difference.

fairerdisputations.org/about-us/

So they might consider publishing some of Jeni Harvey's writing if she wanted to write for them, even though some of their other authors might disagree with what she says. But she won't have anything to do with them because she disagrees with some of their other authors on other issues.

Of course, if her tweet about feminists who believe that sex is real aren't real feminists means that she's gone TWAW, then they probably wouldn't want her to write for them.

nope tweet still there. this is the thread

twitter.com/gappytales/status/1610579878834831360?s=46&t=_qrAVAIbmmH78UpK7uMOEA

twitter.com/GappyTales/status/1610579878834831360
Here's the tweet.
That poster was behind much of what was said about KJK in Brighton if I remember correctly.
I get the feeling a lot of these "real feminists" are okay with how TRAs act, and would act the same as them in many situations.

The guilt-by-association tactic is so tiring. It just comes across as jealousy that people are more popular than they are.