Model response to a dilemma for women in the left-right storm (really?)

[IwantToRetire]

So not satisfied with appropriating the work, ideas and campaigning of one woman and many active supporters, some complete set of nobody film makers have taken it upon themselves to school us silly air heads on how to behave and who to talk to.

Leaving aside the smug condescension of believing the have the right to tell us how to behave, this is a perfect example of where complete nobodies who exploit other people to further their own media career, then assume they are as politically relevant and analytically acute as actual activists.

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This is the problem with the media at the moment, presenters and film makers who are just the vehicle to get voices and ideas heard, then think they are entitled to become the spokes person.

Apart from anything else, did these nupties even think maybe we should ask those who the film was actually about. I know they would, having been hand selected as the appropriately politically aligned voices, also refused, but even within the unethical world of these self promoters, do they really think they take precedence.

But it does gives us a clear idea of their moral compass and how they felt able to bandwagon of others work and go to extreme lengths to make sure they are never referred to or acknowledged.

And it's very obvious that certain posters are only posting on this thread to sow division.

"Quietly turning down" identifies as telling everyone with Twitter access, then.

Did you even bother to read my post or just vainly assumed it was to thwart you?

I already had read about this last year. And I checked it out myself after reading others mentioning it.

And they didn’t ‘quietly’ turn down the offer. They posted about it. Quietly turning it down is not posting that you have done so in the fashion they did, even initially.

Both actions of mentioning turning down were virtue signaling.

Division of what exactly? You sound like there should be a purity of opinion on MN…and obviously this should be a perfect match to your own opinions.

And they didn’t ‘quietly’ turn down the offer. They posted about it. Quietly turning it down is not posting that you have done so in the fashion they did, even initially.

Both actions of mentioning turning down were virtue signaling.

This.

I read your post, and if it were simply to inform you wouldn’t have thrown that dig in there would you?

I think a two sentence update is quietly turning down the offer. We will have to agree to disagree on that. You think a two sentence update is making a virtue signalling song and dance…ok, that’s your right to think that.

Making any twitter or public social media post is making a public statement. That is marketing basics.

You can disagree. I don’t care whether you agree or not. You trying to say it is not, doesn’t say it is not a fact.

And you were the only person saying ‘Id take that with a grain of salt tbh. Twitter is the most notorious fake news hub on the planet, with Facebook a close second.’

It was lazy. You didn’t go and check whether it was true. You tried to discredit the information though.

So, you making a two sentence post in a thread shouldn’t be criticized? And according to you, two sentences on twitter shouldn’t be considered a ‘statement’ and should be ignored as a virtue signaling exercise?

Ok. Should we all just post two sentence posts then?

Not everyone, telling their 365k followers…out of 35 million women in the U.K. and 200 million women in the USA….So announced to a whopping 0.15% of their target audience.

I may not understand why you think it’s not a quiet announcement…how far below 1% of target audience do you have to get to be considered quietly announcing is a question I certainly have but you have a right to your opinion.

Just updating. Two sentences make just as much difference as two paragraphs or more.

Just updating, Twitter posts on a publicly open account get many more views than just the accounts followers. That is what social media is about !

Just updating, Twitter posts on a publicly open account get many more views than just the accounts followers. That is what social media is about !

I think a two sentence update is quietly turning down the offer. We will have to agree to disagree on that. You think a two sentence update is making a virtue signalling song and dance…ok, that’s your right to think that.

Quietly turning it down would be to turn it down and not announce it on Twitter. It's not a song and dance but it is virtue signalling. The song and dance is their full statement.

Their account isn't locked. It's public.

Even if it was, once you make private communications known to others, you've lost control over it.

Prior to making it public, "only" 365k other accounts knew about it.

Sorry but this line does not and will never wash.

Just updating, if good marketers cannot make a statement with two sentences they are failing at communication. It is absurd to think two sentences announcing an action is not making a song and dance about it - it is just a quieter song and dance!

And updating what? A running commentary on their private emails?

Now if it was two sentences in a newsletter to only a closed group of people, you would have a point.

Exactly. Why was this "update" necessary, if not to virtue signal?

@Helleofabore

Backtracking are we? First you gaslight me by trying to claim you weren’t calling me lazy when I called you out on it:
Did you even bother to read my post or just vainly assumed it was to thwart you?

And now you’re showing your true colours by admitting you were calling me lazy:
And you were the only person saying ‘Id take that with a grain of salt tbh. Twitter is the most notorious fake news hub on the planet, with Facebook a close second.’ It was lazy. You didn’t go and check whether it was true. You tried to discredit the information though.

For what it’s worth, I was not discrediting the information, I was pointing out rightly that the source of the information, Twitter, is suspect as it has a poor reputation. Which is accurate and a fact.

It’s concerning really that you can’t tell the difference between suspect sources and suspect information.

Just updating! Yes Resister that is obviously it!

Yes, it’s quiet.

I was pointing out rightly that the source of the information, Twitter, is suspect as it has a poor reputation.

Which social media channel doesn't spread fake news? Twitter is a communication platform driven by its users.

They all do to different extents. Some SM companies are better at seeking out and deleting fake news than other SM companies. But sadly too many people do not realise this or think that they can tell the difference between real news and fake news on sight alone.

For what it’s worth, I was not discrediting the information, I was pointing out rightly that the source of the information, Twitter, is suspect as it has a poor reputation.

Is this like when anything from right wing media sources is discredited because it's from right wing media sources?

Anyway, the opinion or viewpoint was shared on Twitter but the source was the actual research.

Whatever. They were virtue signalling, thinking they'd gain TRA and leftist approval. Rather than talking to as many women as possible, they decided to keep talking only to TRAs and their friends.

I think they were very lucky to get invited onto mainstream media at all, given the poor quality of the film they made. To be fair, I only watched a few minutes of it because it was so boring - I'm surprised that they got anyone to pay attention to it, but completely dumbfounded that they then refused that attention and refused the chance to talk to millions of women in the states and beyond about their film. Absolutely beggars belief.

Is this like when anything from right wing media sources is discredited because it's from right wing media sources?

Not at all alike.
www.science.org/content/article/fake-news-spreads-faster-true-news-twitter-thanks-people-not-bots