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Model response to a dilemma for women in the left-right storm (really?)

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IwantToRetire · 01/01/2023 19:10

So not satisfied with appropriating the work, ideas and campaigning of one woman and many active supporters, some complete set of nobody film makers have taken it upon themselves to school us silly air heads on how to behave and who to talk to.

Leaving aside the smug condescension of believing the have the right to tell us how to behave, this is a perfect example of where complete nobodies who exploit other people to further their own media career, then assume they are as politically relevant and analytically acute as actual activists.

kaygreen.blog/2022/12/31/model-response-to-a-dilemma-for-women-in-the-left-right-storm/

This is the problem with the media at the moment, presenters and film makers who are just the vehicle to get voices and ideas heard, then think they are entitled to become the spokes person.

Apart from anything else, did these nupties even think maybe we should ask those who the film was actually about. I know they would, having been hand selected as the appropriately politically aligned voices, also refused, but even within the unethical world of these self promoters, do they really think they take precedence.

But it does gives us a clear idea of their moral compass and how they felt able to bandwagon of others work and go to extreme lengths to make sure they are never referred to or acknowledged.

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Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:36

@Onnabugeisha - well thank you for the laugh "I have no agenda" gave me.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:36

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:32

@Onnabugeisha I'm sure this is very satisfying for you. Such a shame it's irrelevant to the point at issue.

It’s infuriating is what it is. There is no satisfaction from it at all.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:38

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:36

@Onnabugeisha - well thank you for the laugh "I have no agenda" gave me.

What is your agenda? Hmm? Are you pro-life? Why else would you be defending Paul Rand?

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:40

@Onnabugeisha I'm staggered if anything I said in the way of explaining a complex American situation to largely British posters who may not be familiar with it leads you to think I'm defending Paul (who, I remind you, is not the centre of our discussion). Polish up your reading skills.

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:43

Interesting that you use the phrase "pro-life". We tend to say "anti choice" over here.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:44

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:40

@Onnabugeisha I'm staggered if anything I said in the way of explaining a complex American situation to largely British posters who may not be familiar with it leads you to think I'm defending Paul (who, I remind you, is not the centre of our discussion). Polish up your reading skills.

Then why are you heckling and laughing at me? Enjoying this are you? Having fun yet?

Helleofabore · 06/01/2023 15:45

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:28

Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You post all this stuff below about Paul Rand and now you have been shown to do exactly what you were accusing me of, you’re going to try and just sweep it under the carpet….with a meh it’s not even relevant….You said he’s not trying to ban abortions which is now proven false and you repeatedly accused me of being polarised, absolutist, exaggerating his views, intent on discrediting, peddling half truths.

But instead of saying ooops I was wrong about Paul Rand and wrong to levy all those accusations at me, you decide to pivot and say it’s all irrelevant anyway…everything you posted.

You’re priceless. Absolutely priceless. And you wonder why people get heated with you?

Helleofabore · Yesterday 19:21
”While much has been made of her ‘campaigning’ with Rand Paul, let us be very clear what that involves.…” “And very clear about what he has said. Yes. He is upfront about being pro-life with exceptions. I am not excusing him. But he has also been upfront about not ‘banning’ all abortions.

“The senator, who co-sponsors a bill that would largely ban abortions at or after 20 weeks of pregnancy, indicated he thinks it's best, at least for now, to let state governments decide if (and how) to restrict abortion.”

Currently law in the UK is abortion is legal til around 24 weeks.

He has also expressed he supports abortion when either child or mother are at risk.”…
”I think it is very important to be very clear about who believes what and supports who.

Sometimes posters seem intent on discrediting women for being single issue. And for not being ‘left wing’.

This seems to be another example of that. Feel free to post links to the contrary.”

Helleofabore · Yesterday 20:06
“And I think it is also quite clear that some posters have exaggerated Rand Paul's position on abortion as well, or it is simply a continued reflection on their very own absolutist positions.”

Helleofabore · Today 08:16
How dare you even try and portray him as some sort of moderate pro-choice politician. This is what Paul Rand published as a campaign promise (me)

”Abortion is a very complex issue. And you seem to have an absolutist view on the topic. I am aware of what he has posted.
I am also well aware he declared he wasn’t advocating to ‘ban’ abortion in his state in quite the manner your posts suggests.”…
”Do you consider the current English abortion laws pro-life? They are within 4 weeks of the laws that Paul was supporting. He was against state funding, I don’t agree with him. But you seem to be keen to use the word ‘ban’ to imply he is ‘banning’ abortion fully.”

Helleofabore · Today 11:33
”You can keep cycling around and around here. You have made the discussion about a man. You have peddled half truths in your pursuit of polarisation.”

Helleofabore · Today 11:34
“www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/61

eu.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2022/07/28/rand-paul-vs-charles-booker-how-race-could-affect-abortion-in-the-us/10014264002/

Don't let facts and evidence stand in the way of whatever you think you are achieving here!”

I am not quite sure what you think these posts say.

All this shows is that you have a habit of using absolutist terms such as 'ban' when the reality is more complex that an 'all out ban' which is what your terminology has been referring to.

Do you believe that the English government 'bans' abortions?

Is that the language you wish to use about the legal status of abortion in England?

It is quite clear I keep referring to your polarised use of language.

you decide to pivot and say it’s all irrelevant anyway…everything you posted.

yes. Because I have maintained all along that my focus was Riley Gaines.

You have locked yourself into this need to prove me wrong about this man, who is only of minor relevance due to YOU accusing Riley Gaines of being against abortion - because of guilt by association with this man.

I have never actually been that interested in this man, except for the connection to Riley Gaines. You were the one that brought him into the discussion.

You are right in one respect. I probably did not repeat that line on every single post that I have posted that the only relevance was his connection to Riley Gaines. I thought my point had been repeated enough times that I didn't have to repeat in on every post.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:45

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:43

Interesting that you use the phrase "pro-life". We tend to say "anti choice" over here.

Paul Rand doesn’t and he’s over there too.

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:48

I'm not heckling. I'm joining in a discussion. Do you have a problem with women who like to do that? Gosh - is it uncomfortable to be laughed at? Is that as uncomfortable as some women might find it sharing a changing room with a person with a penis? Or as uncomfortable as some female prisoners might find it sharing a cell or showers with a rapist she can't get away from? Or as uncomfortable as women who've slogged to get to the top of their sport to lose to a male-bodied person who can't hack it in the men's team?

Helleofabore · 06/01/2023 15:49

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:43

Interesting that you use the phrase "pro-life". We tend to say "anti choice" over here.

That is interesting.

I must admit that I have found the label 'pro-life' to be an umbrella that actually leads to confusion. Because it can be said that the current English law is 'pro-life' because it cuts off at around 24 weeks if the circumstances don't fit the exceptions.

Helleofabore · 06/01/2023 15:50

Helleofabore · 06/01/2023 15:19

Do you or do you not agree that feminists who are prioritising sex over gender are integrally also fighting for equality and equity for females?

Because that is not my interpretation of :

"Im sorry but the vast majority of GC feminists are not campaigning for “equality of opportunity” they are campaigning for the definition of woman and single sex spaces as I listed above."

Which you could easily have clarified previously.

Do you or do you not agree that feminists who are prioritising sex over gender are integrally also fighting for equality and equity for females?

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:50

@Onnabugeisha - that's because he has that agenda. Those of us who support access to abortion say "anti choice". You really are quite unfamiliar with things on this side of the Atlantic aren't you? Luckily it's irrelevant to the UK situation.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:51

@Helleofabore
All this shows is that you have a habit of using absolutist terms such as 'ban' when the reality is more complex that an 'all out ban' which is what your terminology has been referring to.

YES I used ban because that is exactly what Paul Rand has been fighting for. You can’t even bother to read evidence given to you on a silver spoon.

This bill, is the bill he sponsored which would ban abortion from conception. There is nothing more of a total ban than that:

”Introduced in Senate (01/28/2021)
S.99 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)
Life at Conception Act of 2021
This bill declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being at all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual comes into being.
Nothing in this bill shall be construed to require the prosecution of any woman for the death of her unborn child, a prohibition on in vitro fertilization, or a prohibition on use of birth control or another means of preventing fertilization.”

Kentucky already has made abortions illegal….as in banned. Even though he is the Kentucky senator at the Federal level, he was part of making that happen.

He has succeeded in getting abortion banned in his State and he is continuing to fight to get it banned at the Federal level too.

Do you believe that the English government 'bans' abortions? Is that the language you wish to use about the legal status of abortion in England?
Fuck no, because we haven’t banned abortions. How can you even compare the U.K. to Kentucky and act like abortion rights are even remotely similar? They are polar opposites, and that’s a fact, not me using “polarised language”

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 15:56

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:48

I'm not heckling. I'm joining in a discussion. Do you have a problem with women who like to do that? Gosh - is it uncomfortable to be laughed at? Is that as uncomfortable as some women might find it sharing a changing room with a person with a penis? Or as uncomfortable as some female prisoners might find it sharing a cell or showers with a rapist she can't get away from? Or as uncomfortable as women who've slogged to get to the top of their sport to lose to a male-bodied person who can't hack it in the men's team?

No it’s not, obviously. What you think I’m a TRA? That is what is excusing your random little digs? I’m not a fucking TRA. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

We have no hope of defending womens rights if you are going blindly jump in on a thread and assume whoever @Helleofabore is grinding an axe on today is a fucking TRA.

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:58

@Onnabugeisha then perhaps you might find it fruitful to reflect on why you give that impression.

GrinitchSpinach · 06/01/2023 15:58

It is weird that a person with such an interest in the senator from Kentucky has reversed his first and last names so repeatedly on this thread. The senator is called Rand Paul, not "Paul Rand."

Nevertheless, the senator is not really the topic of this thread. This is getting pretty tedious.

To bring it back on-topic, I liked what Jennifer Gingrich had to say on Twitter about the Tucker/no Tucker dispute. Screenshot attached.

Model response to a dilemma for women in the left-right storm (really?)
Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:59

@GrinitchSpinach - yes!

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 16:02

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:50

@Onnabugeisha - that's because he has that agenda. Those of us who support access to abortion say "anti choice". You really are quite unfamiliar with things on this side of the Atlantic aren't you? Luckily it's irrelevant to the UK situation.

Stop nitpicking. If I said Paul Rand is anti-choice some wanker will appear and
say but but according to his website he is pro-life. Kind of like you are.

Helleofabore · 06/01/2023 16:02

Britinme

While you are here. Can you please explain to me exact powers that a senator has over their state's laws?

Apart from influence?

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 16:02

GrinitchSpinach · 06/01/2023 15:58

It is weird that a person with such an interest in the senator from Kentucky has reversed his first and last names so repeatedly on this thread. The senator is called Rand Paul, not "Paul Rand."

Nevertheless, the senator is not really the topic of this thread. This is getting pretty tedious.

To bring it back on-topic, I liked what Jennifer Gingrich had to say on Twitter about the Tucker/no Tucker dispute. Screenshot attached.

I’m dyslexic so sue me. There’s no weirdness, but a disability

Britinme · 06/01/2023 16:03

@Onnabugeisha - interesting. I doubt Senator Paul would approve of my donations and voluntary work occasionally for Planned Parenthood.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 16:03

Britinme · 06/01/2023 15:58

@Onnabugeisha then perhaps you might find it fruitful to reflect on why you give that impression.

Perhaps you should read a fucking thread or two before making stupid assumptions.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 16:05

Helleofabore · 06/01/2023 16:02

Britinme

While you are here. Can you please explain to me exact powers that a senator has over their state's laws?

Apart from influence?

It’s influence, access to big donors for election campaigns and mentoring for future career moves like running for Congress.

Britinme · 06/01/2023 16:05

@Onnabugeisha "Perhaps you should read a fucking thread or two before making stupid assumptions."

And yet my impression was formed by reading your contributions on several threads. Again, perhaps you should reflect on why you give that impression.

Onnabugeisha · 06/01/2023 16:09

Britinme · 06/01/2023 16:05

@Onnabugeisha "Perhaps you should read a fucking thread or two before making stupid assumptions."

And yet my impression was formed by reading your contributions on several threads. Again, perhaps you should reflect on why you give that impression.

Sure it was. 🤣