Christmas lecture Sue Black

[missingthewinchesterboys]

Loving Sue Black's Christmas lecture teaching kids that sex runs right through to your bones! There is no hiding if your male or female when your looking at bones!

Dd just said she must be a Hate the gender nonsense mum.

Oooh, are they on BBC4 still?

Oh, great! I'm recording to watch later.

Yes @CaveMum , BBC4

How long before someone tries to contradict her?!

Bbc4 I think she's doing 3.

Just what we said as we were watching it!
she’s brilliant and so knowledgeable :-)

These don't start until the 28th.... right?

That’s interesting, in a Sunday times interview she seemed to be saying it’s a spectrum and can be difficult to sex a body

Came on to see if anyone was commenting. This is a scientist 🤷🏻‍♀️
I absolutely love her.

It's on tonight.

She was quite clear on sex being shown in the bones.
She had a male and female skull and pelvis and was describing all the differences.

I nearly started a thread on this. Really good stuff.

Oh, she's a marvellous woman! Just read this about her on Wikipedia
Black has been an innovator in developing techniques and building databases to confirm or disconfirm someone's identify based on photographs of their hands or arms. This technique has become important for the prosecution of paedophiles, who often take and share photographs of their actions. In 2009, Black used vein pattern analysis to confirm the identify of a suspected child abuser, who then pled guilty. It was the first time that the technique was used in a criminal conviction.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_Black,_Baroness_Black_of_Strome

We just watched it and were saying exactly the same thing. Turns out there are fundamental biological & physiological differences between men & women. Who knew?
I’m sure the BBC will still get loads of complaints… 🙄

She's my child's hero- want to be a Forensic Anthropologists and has read her books.

I remember she was on Desert Island Discs a few years back. I'm going to give it another listen

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j0wf3

Fab thanks @missingthewinchesterboys, I shall catch up on iPlayer.

She really explained it clearly in the context of hormones at puberty. I recommend her book “All that remains” includes details of her work in the Balkans amongst other musings on life and death.

Isn’t is sad that the lecture could be considered in any way controversial. What is happening nowadays?

In 2009, Black used vein pattern analysis to confirm the identify of a suspected child abuser, who then pled guilty. It was the first time that the technique was used in a criminal conviction.

That's amazing!

In Written In Bone she describes doing the same with a pattern of moles and freckles to convict a man of sexual assault on a child. She does amazing work.

She's on a fabulous programme called History Cold Case, solving skeleton deaths. The case team is all women. You can watch it on YouTube. I emailed her about it and she replied. <fan girl>
I was listening to her Desert Island Discs when driving and had to pull over as she spoke so eloquently and movingly about people donating their body to science.
Fucking amazing woman. and she's Scottish

Determining the sex of skeletons is "transphobic" since you don't know how the person "identified" in life, apparently. FFS! Still, everything is allegedly transphobic, so why should archaeology be any different...

I’d not heard of her before. I’ll look into watching this and reading her books.

Archived copy to avoid PN getting the clicks: archive.ph/xC4GP

Not sure of the context, if it was archaeological, it's true it can be difficult to sex some bodies from the size and shape of the bones. That of course doesn't mean they didn't have a sex, were transgender or were intersex 😀