Christmas lecture Sue Black

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Loving Sue Black's Christmas lecture teaching kids that sex runs right through to your bones! There is no hiding if your male or female when your looking at bones!

Dd just said she must be a Hate the gender nonsense mum.

I mean, like, you do realise that most of the changes in bones are related to puberty and that if a trans young person gets on the correct hormones, their bone structure will grow accordingly? Even starting HRT in the early 20's can see changes in pelvic growth plates. Like even past first puberty, HRT can make changes..trans men and women will often report a small (usually low single figure cms) change in height - was 3 cms for me.

Some have speculated that those later changes may be due to changes in soft tissue bought about by HRT..though whatever the mechanism, it was gladly received.

I don't think it's radical to say that if a male takes feminizing hormones their bodies will resemble female bodies in some ways is it? If they didn't there'd be no point in taking the hormones in the first place.

@EvilBee how would one know if a trans person is on the correct hormones? Are you equating "trans" with "opposite sex"? If someone is questioning whether they are agender - which hormones are correct, please?

@EvilBee I wasn't stalking you last night, we seemed to be on the same pub crawl😀

With regards my musings on the effects on the skeletons do you know if any studies being done into the effects of the hormones on the actual bones. I'm presuming there's only so much they can do whilst someone is living? Not medical person so this is not my speciality at all

Giving cross sex hormones to CHILDREN is an evil experiment as your name suggests @EvilBee . Fortunately more and more countries are waking up to it and banning medical treatment of gender non conforming children

I have only watched the first one and it is brilliant. I love how thoughtful and respectful she is of human remains because they are human. Plus the telling the truth about sex. I hope she gets loads more BBC presenting work because her line of work is incredibly impressive and interesting.

@EvilBee I noticed you were on another thread since I posted this, so asking whether you could please help me become educated in this subject by answering the question I asked? (If you don't know, please feel free to say, no judgement! )

I'm sure you will be able to, without changing what it is I've asked.

It's become very unclear to me whether "trans" does in fact mean "opposite sex", or whether it's more than that.

In girls bone broth plates are set by around 16. In boys they don't set until much later -21 I think.

Do we really know the extent of intervening with hormones not programmed for in our DNA though?

do trans women have a higher risk of breast cancer? What about trans men who get pregnant; what does testosterone do to the baby?

I don’t think it turned out too well for East German female Olympic athletes in the 1980s and I read an article somewhere the damage caused from Russian skaters given puberty blockers.

I've now watched all three lectures. Fascinating stuff. Also listened to Professor Black on The Life Scientific and Desert Island Discs, so many thanks to all for the recommendations and links. I liked how the RI lectures didn't talk down to the children and teenagers present. (I know they're always good, but it's been some years since I last got round to watching any.)

As for the effects meddling with normal puberty may have on an otherwise healthy young body, I hope with all my heart the forensic pathologists and anthropologists will have hardly any specimens to examine in future years. Most European countries are starting to put far tighter controls in place for the prescription of puberty blockers to minor children, and fortunately clinicians have been less gung ho prescribing cross-hormones to minors here than in North America. I see these ghastly experiments as akin to the lobotomies and insulin therapy for mental illness in earlier decades. Now totally discredited, and we look back and can't believe that arrogant doctors, surgeons, psychologists etc ever thought this was a good idea, given they had no idea what they were doing and were in effect doing the exploratory research on living subjects who couldn't possibly have given informed consent.

Well said @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Agree with every word.