Sex offenders and the Scottish GRC

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waterwitch · 23/12/2022 16:59

Trying to clarify exactly what the implications of GRR are, even for male SO who are not prepared to ‘live as women’ for the rest of their lives

Wondering if it is possible for sex offenders (inc from England & Wales) to ‘live as a woman’ in Scotland for 3 months, apply for GRC in a different name, then live there for another 6 months, apply for a GRC in a third name and then continue life (perhaps back in England/Wales) with a shiny new birth certificate and unblemished record? Would the sex offenders’ register do anything to address this?

Assuming this is the case, I wonder why it isn’t being spelt out?

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waterwitch · 24/12/2022 13:30

So, DadJoke and Evilbee clearly known sex offenders have already demonstrated that they are not put off doing something (or not doing something) because it is an offence. So the fact that it is an offence to not register a change of name does not mean it won’t happen. Indeed pp has data to show it has already happened.

Have you now changed your opinion that the new Scottish bill represents, in this situation, an increased safeguarding risk? If not, why not?

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RhannionKPSS · 24/12/2022 13:36

Cailleach1 · 23/12/2022 18:33

So, you can change your birth certificate to basically falsify your birth sex. Even easier now.

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Yes, that’s what it will do. It’s utterly ridiculous

LangClegsInSpace · 24/12/2022 16:54

JanesLittleGirl · 24/12/2022 11:55

Firstly, examples are hard to find because the data is not collected and any data that exists is not collated.

Secondly, the current bar to obtaining a GRC is quite high, requiring 2 diagnoses of gender dysphoria and solid evidence of having lived in your new gender for 2 years. This makes obtaining a GRC purely to gain access to vulnerable women and children an unattractive option.

@EvilBee My second point above also speaks to your desire to live and die with dignity. Does your desire outweigh my desire for my daughter, Mother and I to be kept safe from predatory men who could get a GRC purely to gain access to us when we are vulnerable?

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Further to your second point, according to the ICD, a diagnosis of gender dysphoria (or gender incongruence as they now call it) should not be given to people with a paraphilic disorder.

Paraphilic disorders include: 6D30 Exhibitionistic disorder; 6D31 Voyeuristic disorder; 6D32 Pedophilic disorder; 6D33 Coercive sexual sadism disorder; 6D34 Frotteuristic disorder; 6D35 Other paraphilic disorder involving non-consenting individuals.

icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f90875286

So by removing the requirement for a diagnosis, the Scottish government have removed an important safeguard.

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