Sex offenders and the Scottish GRC

[waterwitch]

Trying to clarify exactly what the implications of GRR are, even for male SO who are not prepared to ‘live as women’ for the rest of their lives

Wondering if it is possible for sex offenders (inc from England & Wales) to ‘live as a woman’ in Scotland for 3 months, apply for GRC in a different name, then live there for another 6 months, apply for a GRC in a third name and then continue life (perhaps back in England/Wales) with a shiny new birth certificate and unblemished record? Would the sex offenders’ register do anything to address this?

Assuming this is the case, I wonder why it isn’t being spelt out?

If someone is still on the sex offender register their new name and current name are linked on both the system used to record their management and on the police national computer. Provided they tell police about the name change.
The issue lies where people come off the sex offender register and are no longer monitored by police. Then a name change to either a male or female name wouldn’t be linked to their previous name.

AlisonDonut

Anyone who thinks a rapist or paedopbile is going to willingly call a trans hotline and say 'you know that DBS I completed, well I'm a rapist/paedohile so make sure you note that on the check so that the school doesn't employ me' is quite frankly totally insane.

It's well knwon that paedophiles are the most devious and deceptive "people" there, who will go to any and all lengths to access potential victims.

"Provided they tell the police about the name change" And which magical unicorns will make sure that this happens?

The whole thing is a crock of shit.

"Provided they tell the police about the name change" And which magical unicorns will make sure that this happens?

This is the problem, so much depends on the honesty of criminals. Whilst there are penalties for failure to notify the police of changes to your details you have to be found out first. Sex offenders on the register are only required to confirm their details with the police on an annual basis, that is the extent of sex offender monitoring by the police.

From the gov.uI website

"Transgender Applications:

The Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) offers a confidential checking service for transgender applicants in accordance with the Gender Recognition Act 2004. This is known as the sensitive applications route, and is available for all levels of DBS check - basic, standard and enhanced.

The sensitive applications route gives transgender applicants the choice not to have any gender or name information disclosed on their DBS certificate, that could reveal their previous gender identity.

The sensitive applications team
If you are asked to complete a DBS check and have a previous identity that you do not wish to be disclosed to your employer and/or on your DBS certificate, YOU SHOULD call or email the dedicated sensitive applications team before submitting your application. The team is experienced in dealing with sensitive cases and will advise you of the process and what you need to do.

How to contact the sensitive applications team
To contact the sensitive applications team, please telephone 0300 106 1452 or email [email protected]. Please note, that the telephone number also has an out-of-hours answering machine where you can leave your details, and a member of the team will call you back.

If you are happy to have your previous identity disclosed on your certificate, you do not need to contact the sensitive applications team and can simply submit this information under the ‘any other names’ section of your application.

Please note, an applicant using the confidential checking service, will still complete the same application form as any other applicant. "
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Honest people will contact the service and reveal other names to be checked.

Sick twisted sex offenders, meh, they haven't shown much regard for the law up to this point, and lots of them choose to be known by a different male name afterwards to confuse and hide their past.

So why would anyone, looking at you @DadJoke , think that once this sex offender changes his sex to female and his name to from John Smith to Barbara Silver he would do the honest and legally required thing of informing the DBS of his previous name when he applies for that job in the local primary school as pastoral care councillor?

The law rightly assumes that being a transgender person doesn't mean you'll be looking to hide your past. Unfortunately that same assumption doesn't work with sex offenders who as group tend to be lying obfuscating bastards. This second group should be required by law to have their offences linked to any and all name or gender changes. They shouldn't be reliant on this group doing the right thing, because they won't. The system should be set so that it's impossible for their past offences not to be linked.

The former Ian Huntley (ironically who has changed gender) did disclose his former names when he applied for the job of caretaker in a primary school. Only the main name was checked, hence he was appointed to the role. Using his familiarity with children he then went onto murder schoolgirls Holly and Jessica.

He hasn't changed gender.

There was a thread about it at the time, before it was announced that it was all a lie.

Still people were very concerned about people on here misgendering a child murdering paedophile.

Yup it’s almost as if people can’t handle grim reality so get in a flap about fiction.

I was listening to the radio this morning and people were calling in telling how they were sleeping in their car, living on a tiny amount of money, eating out of bins, waiting for operations, families asked to leave rented homes with nowhere to go, family breakups… heartbreaking stuff.

I worked for a charity for a few years and we had links with hostels, refuges, foodbanks (the worst we’re the kids/teen ‘safehouses’), but these stories today were just heartbreaking.

Then I thought about the in Scotland expending all their energy and efforts in screaming for their ‘rights’, and smugly sitting there smirking in the gallery as woman’s rights were thrown in the bin. My god.

Do such people even think about the lives of people who actually suffer in real life? They live in their little anime fantasy world, and sleep in their warm beds at night with full bellies. 😡

You honestly don’t think that having a new name, new birth certificate, all new identity documents and a shiny new “gender” would make it a bit easier to lie about who you are?

You cannot in all seriousness think that this is true.

Not only does it make it easier to lie, it also makes it impossible for you to ask Bella Smith what their ‘original’ name is. So if someone you suspect is hiding their identity, you can’t ask.

Woah ho ho ho hold up a minute......

The system relies on sex offenders telling the authorities about a change of identity? WHAT?! That cannot be correct?

@DadJoke??????

What about the 'trabs friendly DBS checks' that Mermaids say they use? How does that fit in with all this?

This is nuts!

Basically the whole thing is a massive lie that you are not allowed to ask any questions about.

Post by Boiledbeetle at 07.38 gives the details. It's intended to protect confidentiality for trans people but still relies on self disclosure.

You’ve misunderstood the purpose of that team. It’s to remove the details of the previous name of the person and not reveal their transgender status as far as is possible (for example it won’t hide offences which can only be committed by men.) it does not remove offences from
the record.

Liars can always lie. This makes absolutely no difference to that.

Incidentally do you have any examples of anyone with a GRC in the UK misusing it since 2004?

I don’t know whether Katie D has a GRC but he certainly was not honest when accessing a womens refuge in Leeds ( even though I think they knew he was a trans identifying women. If he had been honest they might have know about his previous offences against children.

The only other groups that might change their name and get the full privacy are, people who change their names with a deed poll( also well used by criminals and sex offenders,) and witnesses or victims who have to be protected.

Changing your name is a well-known flaw in the DBS system. Combine that with making an application through the sensitive DBS checking route for trans-identifying people and you do get a trans ‘invisibility cloak’

a few links to examples of these flaws:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offenders-free-to-abuse-children-after-changing-id-bpdlx59p0

kpssinfo.org/dbs-checks-and-identity-verification-pdf/

www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/03/24/lessons-needed-how-did-a-convicted-british-paedophile-move-to-spain-dodge-criminal-record-checks-and-find-work-as-an-english-teacher/amp/

Incidentally do you have any examples of anyone with a GRC in the UK misusing it since 2004?

Well if you agree that Maggie Chapman is correct in stating that “trans people aren’t sex offenders” I guess every male sex offender with a GRC must have misused the GRC process. The fact is it’s virtually impossible to know when people are mis-using something until they get caught or unless there is a high profile tragedy as in the case of Huntley.

You’ve misunderstood the purpose of that team. It’s to remove the details of the previous name of the person and not reveal their transgender status as far as is possible (for example it won’t hide offences which can only be committed by men.) it does not remove offences from
the record.

No one has misunderstood anything as much as it might comfort you to think we have. You are refusing to engage with the concerns about a flawed process which will make it easier for predatory males to gain access to women and children. In fact you've dismissed the concerns by saying "liars can always lie". We're questioning the wisdom of the effectiveness of a safeguarding process depending on the honesty of criminals.

I mean the GRC just modifies your legal sex, said sex offender would just be a bloke with a legal sex of female and a record. They could get marriage cert as female and have their death cert as female.

There's also risk of ?fraud, if they make no attempt to socially transition.

Changing name is more of a concern, but I believe that it's an offence if they don't notify authorities.

Firstly, examples are hard to find because the data is not collected and any data that exists is not collated.

Secondly, the current bar to obtaining a GRC is quite high, requiring 2 diagnoses of gender dysphoria and solid evidence of having lived in your new gender for 2 years. This makes obtaining a GRC purely to gain access to vulnerable women and children an unattractive option.

@EvilBee My second point above also speaks to your desire to live and die with dignity. Does your desire outweigh my desire for my daughter, Mother and I to be kept safe from predatory men who could get a GRC purely to gain access to us when we are vulnerable?

NEWSFLASH Sex offenders looking to commit offences are not that bothered about committing offences.

In 2021, a FOI request revealed least 1,349 sex offenders have changed their name, 16 forces said 913 perverts had gone missing i.e. they changed their name without declaring and so cannot be tracked or monitored by police.

Labour is pressing ministers to ban paedophiles from changing their names.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/paedophiles-changing-names-carry-abusing-23332045

In March the Govt promised to tighten up controls. They could do this by changing the DBS system so that it uses NI numbers, not just name and DOB.
www.gov.uk/government/news/tightening-the-law-on-sex-offenders

Labour is pressing ministers to ban paedophiles from changing their names.

Let them change their “gender” but force them to keep their name. I’m surprised Labour wouldn’t see this as transphobic.