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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Language- taking control

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Fieldfly · 22/12/2022 08:16

Our thoughts are so strongly influenced by language- and we’ve been trained to use certain words.

Although people who wish they were the other sex clearly have every right to exist and should be able to dress as they please IMO we should stop using the words transition and trans (on its own and as a suffix) as it suggests that it is possible to change sex. There is no such thing as a person who has changed sex so the word trans is misleading.

I am starting to say pretend and role-play instead of ‘identifies’ or ‘lives as’ as they are more accurate. People might not like it and might prefer euphemisms, but euphemisms hide truth, that’s their whole point. The truth can sometimes be painful but that’s no reason to lie. The fact that I feel nervous posting this and expect to be deleted is insanity! That I am expected to say that a man who decides to adopt stereotypical women’s clothing is ‘living as a woman’ and can expect to be chastised or worse if I say that he is pretending to be a woman is utterly shocking. I don’t think it’s wrong to pretend to be a woman - just call it what it is and don’t expect other people to join in.

I do not consent to be part of anyone else’s fetish, I do not want to lie to children, I do not want to reinforce vulnerable children’s distress at the reality of their bodies by telling them that they are in the wrong body and should alter it with drugs and surgery, I think a happier outcome is that they are helped to explore the reasons for their distress and hopefully to accept the body they have. I am horrified that I can’t say this in public. I do not want to take part in role-play. So I can’t use misleading words.

And I’d like to know where the word ‘transvestite’ went.

I know the haven’t said anything new, but listening to what’s happening in Scotland is so chilling.

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Delphinium20 · 28/12/2022 19:44

I remember when that infamous eliminationist interview by Helen Staniland of Helen Joyce came out and I showed a work friend cos I wanted to get a detached take - she saw it and said "Do they want to kill you lot or something?". It was kinda reassuring, but also disturbing at the same time. Like, part of me wants to believe the best in people, but here is someone independent telling me what these people are actually saying.

Not sure if this is paranoia or group division to create an imagined enemy...? What an odd post.

Delphinium20 · 28/12/2022 19:46

eliminationist

Now I know what this means...it's usually a way to determine if someone has a food allergen. Eliminating different foods until the reaction goes away. I did this w/ DD1 while breastfeeding. Turns out the little one didn't do well w/ onions.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 28/12/2022 21:15

onlytherain · 28/12/2022 19:23

I wonder if any sociolinguistic research is being done on these matters. I am unaware of any studies on the impact eg. of the use of "people with" instead of "women", or potential effects of stating one's pronouns. Everything I read on these matters is based on philosophical thought. I would prefer some actual data.

This kind of research would not be allowed. I agree though impact assessments should have been done before making these linguistic changes. The fact that there have been none, and they would not be permitted reveals quite plainly that we are dealing with ideological agendas rather than any genuine desire to best meet the needs of the populace.

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